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Thread ID: 79563	2007-05-24 08:42:00	New Laptop Vista vs XP???	echothreezero (6612)	Press F1

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552717	2007-05-29 05:52:00	i reckon apple would do alot better (sales wise) if they lowered their prices to compete with pcs. any real reason why they don't? i would think they'd make more money by selling more units at slightly lower profit margin, and the further inroads into MS would encourage more software development and in turn make the mac more feasable to more potential customers... and once they have world domination they can do what MS has done/is doing and turn to **** whilst making billions:D - move over steve!	motorbyclist (188)
552718	2007-05-29 06:04:00	i reckon apple would do alot better (sales wise) if they lowered their prices to compete with pcs. any real reason why they don't? Believe it or not they actually sell about 1.5million computers (manufactured in China by third party companies) in a quarter @ 30% profit margin which is the highest margin for computing hardware in the industry. Their computer sales also increase around 30% each year overall categories The average profit margin on computers is between 11-15% so they don't have to compete with PCs. The average PC sales growth world wide is about 12-15% Apple is currently valued at about $100 Billion US with 5% world wide market share. Apple was worth about $14 Billion US in 2000. Microsoft has been worth about $290 Billion US for the last 6 years running.	winmacguy (3367)
552719	2007-05-29 08:00:00	Apple also has a very successful chain of 177 stores (90% of which are in the US) that only sell Apple stuff and they are opening an average of 10 new stores a year. Their stores turn over an average of $4000 of sales per sq ft of retail space which is one of the highest of any High St (fancy clothing, handbags etc) retail store in the world. Dell has just recently embarked on a similar project to try and boosts it's on flagging sales, except that they are doing their PC sales through Wal mart budget stores ( similar to The Warehouse) in the US.	winmacguy (3367)
552720	2007-05-29 08:47:00	Believe it or not they actually sell about 1.5million computers (manufactured in China by third party companies) in a quarter @ 30% profit margin which is the highest margin for computing hardware in the industry. Their computer sales also increase around 30% each year overall categories The average profit margin on computers is between 11-15% so they don't have to compete with PCs. The average PC sales growth world wide is about 12-15% Apple is currently valued at about $100 Billion US with 5% world wide market share. Apple was worth about $14 Billion US in 2000. Microsoft has been worth about $290 Billion US for the last 6 years running. You know, I would have thought Apple sold Macs at at LEAST an 80% margin. They are very, very expensive spec-for-spec (leaving software out of it). Do they have to pay other companies lots for the software they include?	george12 (7)
552721	2007-05-29 09:07:00	You know, I would have thought Apple sold Macs at at LEAST an 80% margin. They are very, very expensive spec-for-spec (leaving software out of it). Do they have to pay other companies lots for the software they include? Actually it is Microsoft who used to sell Windows and Office with up to a 90% profit margin during the late 1990's. When looking at a Mac you have to include the OS because Apple is a hardware company that also does software. They are also the only computer company in the world that does every aspect of hardware design in house (Apple HQ, Cupertino, California). Manufacturing happens over in China. OS X is actually cheaper than Windows Vista Ultimate and doesn't have any restrictive DRM.. No, they don't have to pay other companies for the software that comes in the iLife bundle because Apple own/control the rights to the various applications that come with iLife, and the iLife apps are Mac only (except for iTunes). Unfortunately Mac hardware is somewhat more pricey in NZ than it is in the US although it is not as bad as it was 6 or 7 years ago. As long as you price up a store bought PC with a similar spec'd Mac you'll find the prices in the medium range machines to be close and Macs to be slightly cheaper in the high end work stations than similar specd PCs (not counting custom built game machines). Apple doesn't aim to compete in the sub $1,500 end of the market as the margins are too slim.	winmacguy (3367)
552722	2007-05-29 09:37:00	echothreezero, did you get your laptop yet? If so, which one?	Strommer (42)
552723	2007-05-29 10:01:00	As above: (Don't worry I forgive you for getting lost in all the OT. And to you buggers ruining my thread - keep it coming, I'm enjoying the banter and don't mind a bit. Update: Ended up with a secondhand Acer (couple of months old and still under waranty). It's more of a desktop replacement than a truly portable unit - time will tell if I made the right choice as I'm not 100 % sure. Specs: Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 (2.0Ghz) 1GB RAM 120GB HDD All usualy connectivity extras like USB, bluetooth, WiFi. 17" WXGA TFT Windows XP SP2 Carry Bag. $1800 incl. GST and Postage. I've since been into DSE and seen smaller, but similarly specced machines for similar money on special, but the cheapest price on this actual unit I could find was around $2200 to $2400. Will let you know what I think when it arives. Cheers for all the help. It was sent on the courier this morning so I expect it to arrive tomorrow - I hope at least.	echothreezero (6612)
552724	2007-05-29 11:03:00	i reckon apple would do alot better (sales wise) if they lowered their prices to compete with pcs.! It would seem that they are doing a lot better than some PC makers judging by this article RETAIL is supposed to be hard. Apple has made it seem ridiculously easy. And yet it must be harder than it appears, or why hasn’t the Windows side of the personal computer business figured it out? Of the many predictions in the world of technology that have turned out to be spectacularly wrong, a prominent place should be made for what the pundits said in 2001 when Apple opened its first retail store in Tysons Corner, Va. “It’s completely flawed,” one analyst said, and that was the conventional wisdom. Commercial rent and furnishings would be expensive, inventory tricky and margins slim. Experienced computer resellers were struggling, and no computer manufacturer had ever found success operating its own branded stores. Analysts predicted at the time that Apple would shut down the stores and write off the huge losses in two years. That assuredly would have been the Apple store’s fate had Steve Jobs permitted aesthetic and design considerations to trump all else. But while guiding the planning for the stores in 2000 and 2001, Mr. Jobs took on a more ambitious challenge than building freestanding museums of design that would show the Apple flag and do little else. He set out to create the conditions most likely to convert museum visitors into actual customers, and then to make those customers feel that they were being pampered long after the sale was consummated. At the time, retail stores seemed passé. Gateway Country Stores were trying to make a go of a combination of old and new, inviting customers to come in, touch, order — and then go home and wait patiently, because the stores did not carry any inventory. Dell’s build-on-demand model dispensed with stores altogether and seemed to embody the future. www.nytimes.com	winmacguy (3367)
552725	2007-05-29 13:15:00	As above: (Don't worry I forgive you for getting lost in all the OT . Thanks and you are correct - it was lost for me amidst the Mac fanatics . :thumbs: That is a nice laptop . Oh . . . let's see . . . . ahhh . . . . hey, you did NOT get a Mac! :lol: I wonder why?$$$$$$$? :D	Strommer (42)
552726	2007-05-29 19:23:00	Oh... let's see.... ahhh.... hey, you did NOT get a Mac! :lol: I wonder why?$$$$$$$? :D You forgot to mention the size of the MacBook being only 13". For the record a new 17 PC laptop of the shop floor is actually more expensive than a 17" MacBook Pro. A lot of mid range 15" PC laptops are also priced fairly close to a 15" MacBook Pro as well.	winmacguy (3367)
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