Forum Home
PC World Chat
Thread ID: 140464	2015-10-16 19:47:00	Global Warming	jayal (1291)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
1410022	2015-10-21 17:19:00	Google the South Asia Plume which is a smog cloud extending from Pakistan across India, South China, SE Asia and Indonesia. Industrial activity from 3 billion people. Then there is the Pacific Gyre which is an enormous patch of plastics floating in the sea. The single common element in these pollution events is Carbon. Even then it's complicated. Some is organic carbon such as plastics and others are inorganic carbon such as CO2. Reigning back carbon use is the most practical way of reducing pollution. That is the core aim of carbon policies worldwide. So lets use more plastic bottles and store the carbon away in the ground and in the sea! I don't agree with man made global warming. But I do agree that there is too much pollution and too much use of the world natural resources. So they need to cut back on the world population by a few billion. (forced birth control and sterilization) But we need mroe good people here in NZ.	Digby (677)
1410023	2015-10-21 20:16:00	BM I know you are sincere and your skepticism is shared with others . So lets say that climate change is a natural event not contributed to by human activities . What we can agree I suggest, is that man's activities do create pollution . The result is undrinkable water, smog, and lightly poisoned soil . Not so much in New Zealand with our high rainfall and being in the Roaring 40s . But elsewhere? Awful . Google the South Asia Plume which is a smog cloud extending from Pakistan across India, South China, SE Asia and Indonesia . Industrial activity from 3 billion people . Then there is the Pacific Gyre which is an enormous patch of plastics floating in the sea . The single common element in these pollution events is Carbon . Even then it's complicated . Some is organic carbon such as plastics and others are inorganic carbon such as CO2 . Reigning back carbon use is the most practical way of reducing pollution . That is the core aim of carbon policies worldwide . Indeed Winston, let’s say Climate Change is a natural event not contributed to by humans, because there is no proof we have anything to do with it, and it was happening well before humans came along . However, pollution is a different matter altogether . I’m 100% on your side there, but we should address the matter with facts, not BS . Whilst on the matter of pollution, I’m on record for trying to get Council to drop their ridiculous “Rubbish Dump” charges (Ok, “Transfer Station” charges for our younger members) so as to encourage people to take all their rubbish to the “Tip” so it can be handled appropriately . Not likely, the rubbish dump is treated as a Cash Cow . And whilst I’m on that subject, do you know that two mates who cleaned out their sheds and took part filled tins of paint to the Dump were turned away . No paint allowed! Same with refrigerators . So what are you supposed to do with them? Oh yes, throw them over a bank into a stream . Some of us can remember that before the “Green Movement” Councils used to have inorganic rubbish collections at least once a year . How ironic! However, your suggestion that Carbon is being used as an excuse to address pollution deeply concerns me, because when the Carbon nonsense is exposed as being a conn, as is happening now, the pollution case is totally jeopardised . That’s the trouble with BS, you get found out eventually . :)	B.M. (505)
1410024	2015-10-21 21:41:00	Humans have cut down 90% of the earths trees/forests. How can that not have an effect on atmospheric carbon levels ? Greenhouse is another one of those topics, like religion & politics, where dogma & self interest seems to come before rational thought on both sides of the argument. With all all funding going into proving man made warming, of course we see more 'evidence' for than against. Start making claims of proof against man made warming & watch your funding vanish. Dont forget methane (natural & man made) . Another theoretical source of global warming . Not much point reducing carbon emmisions if we allow the amazon rainforest to spew out methane . Just as well its being slowly cut down :)	1101 (13337)
1410025	2015-10-21 22:10:00	Humans have cut down 90% of the earths trees/forests. How can that not have an effect on atmospheric carbon levels ? Whoa, let’s just pause there. Can you substantiate that Humans have cut down 90% of the earths trees/forests?	B.M. (505)
1410026	2015-10-21 22:10:00	Indeed Winston, let’s say Climate Change is a natural event not contributed to by humans, because there is no proof we have anything to do with it, and it was happening well before humans came along. Actually it's accepted we are contributing to climate change by scientists on both sides of the argument. We are emitting carbon, it definitely has some effect, as does cutting down trees. The dispute is over whether our contribution is significant enough to be a problem but no rational person believes we have no effect on the environment. Where perhaps they are failing is by not looking at the process as a whole and factoring in every possible source of climate change natural or otherwise and also trying to factor in those things we have changed already. For example there are the theories about methane emissions from livestock with no apparent effort to work out how much this is countered by the reduction in natural herds of grazing animals that used to exist before we replaced them with cows and farmland. Also how much do all our crops and grassland counter the missing forests? it must go some way towards reducing the impact but how much. Scientists often study something exhaustively but with far too narrow a focus, you have to consider the whole picture when talking climate and can't just isolate 1 factor like C02 emissions and get an accurate picture of what's happening. We are screwing up the planet at an accelerating rate, what the actual mechanisms of the harm we are doing are may not be the things people currently are worried about. In the end the planet is a finite system with finite resources, it's only common sense to realise that one single species can not expand in population and resource consumption endlessly and that eventually there has to be a balance or we face disaster. Whatever the climate is or is not doing, we need to limit our impact on the environment and other species. Cutting down carbon emissions may not ultimately effect the climate, who really knows, but does that make it a bad thing? We can all agree taxing things is a stupid way to "help" the environment.	dugimodo (138)
1410027	2015-10-21 23:27:00	Actually it's accepted we are contributing to climate change by scientists on both sides of the argument. Scientists from both sides of the argument agree there is climate change, but the argument starts with what causes it and does it really matter. But HERE (www.ecomagination.com)’s one for the Tree Huggers. Well now, it would seem that plants thrive on Co2 so it seems remiss to deprive them of it. :D	B.M. (505)
1410028	2015-10-21 23:41:00	Scientists from both sides of the argument agree there is climate change, but the argument starts with what causes it and does it really matter. But HERE (www.ecomagination.com)’s one for the Tree Huggers. Well now, it would seem that plants thrive on Co2 so it seems remiss to deprive them of it. :D Humans depend on Oxygen, yet too much will kill us. Take your steaming pile of cow manure elsewhere.	Nick G (16709)
1410029	2015-10-21 23:46:00	Indeed Winston, let’s say Climate Change is a natural event not contributed to by humans, because there is no proof we have anything to do with it, and it was happening well before humans came along. That’s the trouble with BS, you get found out eventually. :) It's well agreed that climate change existed long before humans came along. It's also agreed (by the majority of the educated population; and by the vast majority of scientists) that we are contributing too it. We have certainly dramatically increased Co2 emissions, have taken part in severe deforestation, and appear to generally be trashing the environment we have the ability to change. Your problem BM is that you don't want to accept your lifestyle is unsustainable - so you deny the facts. Your are the one full of BS.	Nick G (16709)
1410030	2015-10-21 23:47:00	Whoa, let’s just pause there. Can you substantiate that Humans have cut down 90% of the earths trees/forests? It's not 90%, but it is pretty high. Take a look at environment.nationalgeographic.com www.livescience.com is also another site worth taking a look at.	Nick G (16709)
1410031	2015-10-22 02:20:00	It's not 90%, but it is pretty high.I agree. I don't know the facts, but I know about how forests in South East Asia have been decimated, and both Iceland and Britain were once covered in trees, and now, esp Iceland are seriously barren.	Greg (193)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14