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Thread ID: 140464	2015-10-16 19:47:00	Global Warming	jayal (1291)	PC World Chat

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1409992	2015-10-17 07:38:00	Going to those politicians' pockets (directly or indirectly). I suspect you are correct, but it strikes me as odd I can’t find anywhere how much was collected let alone how it was distributed.	B.M. (505)
1409993	2015-10-17 16:43:00	I suspect you are correct, but it strikes me as odd I can’t find anywhere how much was collected let alone how it was distributed. Christchurch City sold $3 million worth of carbon credits to British Gas in 2006. archived.ccc.govt.nz	Winston001 (3612)
1409994	2015-10-17 18:48:00	Christchurch City sold $3 million worth of carbon credits to British Gas in 2006. archived.ccc.govt.nz Thanks for that Winston, very interesting, but for me it raises more questions than it answers. For instance, the document is dated 2006 so what has happened in the last 9 years? Is Christchurch the only participant in NZ in that time? But then right at the end the killer punch: 6778 The Bold Print giveth and the fine print taketh away. :D It just shows how dodgy this stuff is.	B.M. (505)
1409995	2015-10-17 22:36:00	[QUOTE=B.M.;1233211]What absolute nonsense. Co2 in the atmosphere has remained the same at 400 parts per million for the last 100 years so we haven’t, despite our best efforts, changed anything, let alone releasing millions of years of carbon as co2. :lol: "What absolute nonsense." To be accused by B.M. of writing "absolute nonsense" is rather comforting, as it defines an upper bound to my own obtuseness. I might add it to my CV. "CO2 in the atmosphere has remained the same at 400 parts per million for the last 100 years so we haven’t, despite our best efforts, changed anything, let alone releasing millions of years of carbon as CO2." This statement is a masterpiece of clarity. There is no vague waffling, no lily-livered qualifications, just a simple assertion of, er, fact that leaves no doubt in the mind of the reader where B.M. stands. In a single sentence the pioneering work of Charles Keeling showing the trends of atmospheric CO2 is dismissed, not to mention the work of all the researchers who followed Keeling, including the New Zealand scientists who demonstrated the same trends in the Southern Hemisphere. This is not done out of ignorance, B.M. knows about Keeling and his work. No, Keeling (and all the others) are wrong, and that's that. The fact that Keeling received many awards for his work, including from the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the Science Council of Japan, the US National Medal of Science, the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement (check his Wikipedia page) is, no doubt, a source of embarrassment to those institutions who failed to check with B.M before making their awards. There is an alternative possibilty. Perhaps it is not Keeling who is wrong, but who am I to judge?	Jayess64 (8703)
1409996	2015-10-17 22:39:00	Volcanoes disgorge more CO2 than mankind and there is always at least one volcano blowing it's top somewhere all the time. Wrong. Check your facts before making statements like that.	Jayess64 (8703)
1409997	2015-10-17 23:05:00	B.M., Winston001, et al are better fiddlers than Nero.	zqwerty (97)
1409998	2015-10-17 23:23:00	"Check your facts before making statements like that" All very well to say that, but how can you or me decide which is fact or fiction.	Driftwood (5551)
1409999	2015-10-18 04:01:00	"Check your facts before making statements like that" All very well to say that, but how can you or me decide which is fact or fiction. Easy. If it's on the Internet, it MUST be true....	johcar (6283)
1410000	2015-10-18 04:38:00	Easy . If it's on the Internet, it MUST be true . . . . Not only is it on the internet, but where on the internet is the important thing . Wikipedia, of course!!! Must be right . Ken :)	kenj (9738)
1410001	2015-10-18 04:41:00	[QUOTE=B.M.;1233211]What absolute nonsense. Co2 in the atmosphere has remained the same at 400 parts per million for the last 100 years so we haven’t, despite our best efforts, changed anything, let alone releasing millions of years of carbon as co2. :lol: "What absolute nonsense." To be accused by B.M. of writing "absolute nonsense" is rather comforting, as it defines an upper bound to my own obtuseness. I might add it to my CV. "CO2 in the atmosphere has remained the same at 400 parts per million for the last 100 years so we haven’t, despite our best efforts, changed anything, let alone releasing millions of years of carbon as CO2." This statement is a masterpiece of clarity. There is no vague waffling, no lily-livered qualifications, just a simple assertion of, er, fact that leaves no doubt in the mind of the reader where B.M. stands. In a single sentence the pioneering work of Charles Keeling showing the trends of atmospheric CO2 is dismissed, not to mention the work of all the researchers who followed Keeling, including the New Zealand scientists who demonstrated the same trends in the Southern Hemisphere. This is not done out of ignorance, B.M. knows about Keeling and his work. No, Keeling (and all the others) are wrong, and that's that. The fact that Keeling received many awards for his work, including from the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the Science Council of Japan, the US National Medal of Science, the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement (check his Wikipedia page) is, no doubt, a source of embarrassment to those institutions who failed to check with B.M before making their awards. There is an alternative possibilty. Perhaps it is not Keeling who is wrong, but who am I to judge? Ahhh, Charlie Keeling, I have him listed alongside Michael Mann, Phil Jones, Al Capone, Ned Kelly, Don Corleone and others of that ilk. ;) After all he did produce his “Keeling Curve” from data taken from the proximity of an Active Volcano. :lol: But here for your consideration is an extract from "Forbes Magazine" where they did some unbiased research on the subject: “Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, have signed a public petition announcing their belief that “…there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” Included are atmospheric physicists, botanists, geologists, oceanographers, and meteorologists.” So you can see I am not alone in my appraisal of the matter. ;)	B.M. (505)
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