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Thread ID: 80521	2007-06-26 04:10:00	Going Vista in an Apple World	myke (7862)	Press F1

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563115	2007-06-26 04:10:00	Ok here we go. I'm looking at updating my current OS X eMac computer lab of 24 machines with Vista HP desktops. The machines need to be Multimedia workhorses and yet not overkill since I'm teaching 11 to 12 year olds... but not underkill, cause we will be using Flash, Photoshop, video editing and maybe even look at 3D technology. I'm not locked into going with HP... but like their service and likely will need to stick to a big player due to how we purchase equipment (sorry local guys). Any recommendations? We currently run OS Tiger workgroup management, but have a Windows server that we will redeploy as maybe as a longhorn server for the Windows machines. Any thoughts on the best way to integrate Vista into OS X.4 workgroup for Internet, print prior to making changes to our Terminal server? Can we completely manage PC images from longhorn or Windows server... er it 2003? Just looking for some good heads up advise. Cheers	myke (7862)
563116	2007-06-26 04:31:00	Just out of curiosty what is your main reason for needing to swap from Tiger to Vista for multimedia work? Do you see Vista as being a cheaper more hassel free alternative than Tiger? Or is it the replacement cost of upgrading 24 eMacs with 24 iMacs is more expensive (assuming edu prices) than getting 24 Vista capable PCs? Or is Apple service support lacking ? Vista should integrate with OS X via Terminal with out too many hassels for print stuff	winmacguy (3367)
563117	2007-06-26 04:47:00	On second thoughts it is Vista so there could be a few hassels.	winmacguy (3367)
563118	2007-06-26 04:54:00	Ok here we go. The machines need to be Multimedia workhorses and yet not overkill since I'm teaching 11 to 12 year olds... but not underkill, cause we will be using Flash, Photoshop, video editing and maybe even look at 3D technology. Um probably with vista and the programs you mention there is no real overkill, as vista is fairly resource hungry as are the latest versions of those apps (as you are switching from mac to windows i assume you will need new licences), wasn't your original issue with the network speed or have i got you mixed up with someone else Anyway that was my 2 cents worth, but instead of sending me 2 cents you could just send me an emac and we'll call it square :D	Morgenmuffel (187)
563119	2007-06-26 05:35:00	Anyway that was my 2 cents worth, but instead of sending me 2 cents you could just send me an emac and we'll call it square :D :thumbs: Incidently Tiger on a G4 eMac is possibly quite slow being that 10.4 is Intel rather than PPC (Motorola) It is pretty snappy on an Intel iMac with 1GB RAM which is what I'm on unlike Vista which will need at least 2GB of RAM to do anything decent.	winmacguy (3367)
563120	2007-06-27 07:05:00	Ok here we go. I'm looking at updating my current OS X eMac computer lab of 24 machines with Vista HP desktops. Well. If you really have to. I'd put HP at the bottom of the list along with Acer out of all the "name" PCs though.	pctek (84)
563121	2007-06-27 07:23:00	I'd be very interested to know what the longer term price benefits and cost savings of moving from an educational Mac OS X setup to new educational hardware and suitable edu version of Vista considering that the video editing software of iMovie that the kids would be using already comes free on the Mac but not on Vista. Photoshop is priced about the same for both platforms as is most of the other stuff that the kids will be using.	winmacguy (3367)
563122	2007-06-27 07:41:00	I'd be very interested to know what the longer term price benefits and cost savings of moving from an educational Mac OS X setup to new educational hardware and suitable edu version of Vista considering that the video editing software of iMovie that the kids would be using already comes free on the Mac but not on Vista. Photoshop is priced about the same for both platforms as is most of the other stuff that the kids will be using. Vista is free under the Microsoft agreement with the MOE for state schools. So is Tiger. Windows Server 2003 R2 is very cheap under this agreement if a copy is not owned where Mac server is not. MS Office is also covered under the agreement where Office for Mac is currently not and may have to be paid for. All copies of Office on a Mac licienced under the agreement are technically supposed to be uninstalled (ya right!). The software stated to be free on a Mac is the old version of the software and in the case of one of the schools I manage have purchased the latest version. PC's will be cheaper to purchase than a Mac. I have to add that if you are totally Mac at the moment then I would be asking some very serious questions as to why change. To integrate Macs and PC's as far as users home folders and files and printing isn't easy. Time comsuming if this is already configured from a Mac server. I am currently trialing ExtremeZ-IP to try and over come some of these issues. Currently is a Windows Server with Mac Bound to AD but user files are not automattically saved to the network home folder. Then when kids move from one Mac to a PC or Mac their saved work doesn't go with them. Problem could be solved with education but I'm only the tech and not a teacher and this seems to be in the too hard basket for staff, hence looking at ExtremeZ_IP or Admitmac.	berryb (99)
563123	2007-06-27 07:43:00	:thumbs: Incidently Tiger on a G4 eMac is possibly quite slow being that 10.4 is Intel rather than PPC (Motorola) It is pretty snappy on an Intel iMac with 1GB RAM which is what I'm on unlike Vista which will need at least 2GB of RAM to do anything decent. Please do research before opening mouth. Tiger was released before the mac went intel	plod (107)
563124	2007-06-27 08:15:00	Please do research before opening mouth. Tiger was released before the mac went intel OK but it runs on both Intel and PPC quite happily. Still would be pretty slow on a G4 eMac.	winmacguy (3367)
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