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Thread ID: 140587	2015-11-07 22:37:00	Well, whoopity W 10	R2x1 (4628)	PC World Chat

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1411071	2015-11-07 22:37:00	My motherboard got fried, so I got another one. Since neither the processor nor the board are exactly current or available readily, I went a little more modern and also switched from Intel to AMD. To my amazement W10 did not even shrug, (just took a while to boot) loaded up and ran like a real OS. Subsequent boots are back to being snappy though. Naturally M$ have a reputation to uphold so there appeared a message saying the activation code was blocked, the copy of W10 was not genuine, and I must buy a new copy of W10. Leaping into M$ help gave many warnings that Support For Windoze XP Has Ended. Well, Paul Revere's message is only a little less timely, and about equally relevant. If the OS can handle changes, fear not there's a factory fix to bust it. I hope M$ CEO's new car requires an engine change to carry out an oil change. W10 is still working, but I'm sure they won't let that continue for long. It refuses to roll back to W7, and their help site (after the XP news) delights in giving me lots of information about things I have neither had nor needed and cures for faults I have not got. So, the factory willfully broke my free copy "because it is our policy" so I should go out and buy the same thing to find out what new things they have to avoid giving the sucker an even break? Yeah, Right If a bad-mannered horse bites you, the cure is not to go stand behind it hoping that surely it won't kick you. A better remedy is to change horses, not in mid stream though; in mid ocean is far, far better. Unfortunately, a lot of programs I am comfortable with and find extremely fast and reliable need windoze. Some need XP, and there's a couple of PCs just for that (with spares). Some are addicted to W7, and there is hardware here for that with updates turned off. Win 10 is quite handy for it's fast start-up and shut down, so one laptop has it just for that. The main desktop PC is currently on W10, but it looks like W7 is in it's immediate future. Thank Jupiter I don't have a windoze phone! :badpc::clap:badpc:	R2x1 (4628)
1411072	2015-11-07 23:23:00	I that just a rant or were you after help?	Driftwood (5551)
1411073	2015-11-07 23:25:00	Sounded like a well justified rant to me Ken :)	kenj (9738)
1411074	2015-11-07 23:40:00	If you've changed the hardware they key is not valid, that's in the terms and conditions of OEM versions of windows. The upgrade should inherit whatever rights the version of windows before had, if it's a retail version and you think it's able to be transferred all you need to do is ring the 0800 activation number, explain what's happened, and get a new key. This has always been the case and is not new to windows 10.	dugimodo (138)
1411075	2015-11-08 00:11:00	So, the factory willfully broke my free copy "because it is our policy" so I should go out and buy the same thing to find out what new things they have to avoid giving the sucker an even break? Yeah, Right Better than if you had paid for it. But yeah, they can so it is. How else can they keep the money generating going? You have 2 choices, buy one again or do something they consider naughty.	pctek (84)
1411076	2015-11-08 01:57:00	I that just a rant or were you after help? Yes. I used a M$ product, and trusted it, obviously I need help. I glanced at the terms and conditions, but with life expectancy dropping by the day I put it in the "Infinite Number Of Monkeys with Typewriters" category, shrugged and agreed. I am currently attempting to get Win 7 back up and running, but GRUB has put the kibosh on the MBR, so that is a bit tedious right now. The drive win10 was originally installed on runs fine and so far is not demanding "Stop, Pay Toll". So, that drive is ok, at least until it calls home. It is just a HDD, the SSD with W10 on demands it's pound of flesh when started, although not with quite the drama Win7 used to do it after a re-install. For unfortunate reasons, I have a bit of spare time this afternoon so I'll fiddle a bit until I either fix it or otherwise. Just using one drive at a time should minimise risk (I hope). Again, I feel that calling this stuff an Operating System is stretching credibility unless you include Intermittent in there like apple do. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1411077	2015-11-08 02:01:00	Better than if you had paid for it. But yeah, they can so it is. How else can they keep the money generating going? You have 2 choices, buy one again or do something they consider naughty. I think I'm probably entitled to do something naughty now, I've used a lot of the words anyhow. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1411078	2015-11-08 04:45:00	I think I'm probably entitled to do something naughty now, I've used a lot of the words anyhow. ;) The 'naughty' app came out before W10 was officially released in anticipation of problems. It works too!	mzee (3324)
1411079	2015-11-08 09:07:00	If you've changed the hardware they key is not valid, that's in the terms and conditions of OEM versions of windows. The upgrade should inherit whatever rights the version of windows before had, if it's a retail version and you think it's able to be transferred all you need to do is ring the 0800 activation number, explain what's happened, and get a new key. This has always been the case and is not new to windows 10. Pretty much says it all. :thumbs:If the Motherboard dies or is changed unless its within warranty its considered a new PC for OEM. The "official" answer is: Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective? A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do not need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC as long as the replacement motherboard is the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by the manufacturer's warranty. Quoted from the OEM licencing www.microsoft.com a person agrees to when installing by clicking "I accept". Just because its not read means nothing. Look at it like Microsoft are now enforcing the Licensing. Dont like it, buy retail or change OS to either Linux or Apple. ;)	wainuitech (129)
1411080	2015-11-08 21:44:00	It seems to me that people who refer to "M$" and "Windoze" are totally wrecking any claim they may have to objectivity. If you start off with an expectation that everyone's against you then you will easily find justifications for that point of view, however spurious. My own opinion is that while there was probably a time when those two epithets were at least partially justified, it is difficult to justify them now.	Tony (4941)
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