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Thread ID: 150461	2022-02-03 23:38:00	The Crystal Ball	piroska (17583)	PC World Chat

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1484108	2022-02-08 05:17:00	I wonder what BM would have wanted He probably made the cure in his lounge, after all he was the world renowned expert on every problem in the world.	gary67 (56)
1484109	2022-02-08 07:12:00	Yes. World discovers new virus. World panics. Experts say lockdown, huddle indoors, wear masks, panic. NZ copies. World gets vaccinated. Virus mutates, as they do. World realises it's all good now, starts to open up, quit masks etc. NZ ...lags. But will copy. Experts pissed off, still trying with their "modelling says". thats BS. a lot of the places opening up have simply given up. its not because "its all good now", its because money means more to them than people and they are paying for it with lives. politicians are simply pandering to the anti-socials who don't care. eg the UK dropped all social measures and delta cases where on the steady increase, omicron is their saviour. trouble is their case count hasn't dropped like one would expect, so who knows what the outcome of that may be. quite possible they will be in for another round. NZ has had an easy time of it due to being able to keep it out for long periods. yet so many anti-socials and money people think they are hard done by.	tweak'e (69)
1484110	2022-02-08 07:20:00	It takes a special kind of stupidity to believe that you and only you are always right and everyone else is wrong. Anyone that refuses to take account of new information, consider it and revise their own opinion accordingly is not worth the effort of listening to.	CliveM (6007)
1484111	2022-02-08 19:43:00	Anyone that refuses to take account of new information, consider it and revise their own opinion accordingly is not worth the effort of listening to . The problem is all the mis-information and outright lies put forward as facts . By both sides of the arguement . The world had moved on & accept they cant beat or contain covid . The best that can be done is vax to try & minimize its severity . NZ is still in the 'we can beat it' stage . As soon as NZ's boarders open & home isolation kicks in, numbers will rocket . Then our hospitals will be pretty much stuffed , overloaded treating covid cases . Will get worse as hospital staff get sick . 'Normal' hospital operations & treatments will suffer . NZ is just postponing the inevitable .	1101 (13337)
1484112	2022-02-08 19:47:00	its not because "its all good now", eg the UK dropped all social measures trouble is their case count hasn't dropped like one would expect,. I'll repeat. I am vaccinated. I am boostered too. However there is a big difference between people catching a virus and being badly affected by it. From what I have read in world news, people are not dropping dead or being put in ICUs from the new variant. Probably a combination of it's particular mutation and being vaccinated. Modellers keep giving out figures that don't eventuate....as the news this morning says. In the Herald: Forecasters estimate more than one million New Zealanders will be infected with Omicron and hundreds will die within the next few months, as the Prime Minister warns the country to "prepare for winter". Modelling became a hot topic last week when findings from the United States-based Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) predicted New Zealanders could witness 50,000 infections by Waitangi weekend. I'm over this modelling crap. It's meaningless.	piroska (17583)
1484113	2022-02-08 21:50:00	From what I have read in world news, people are not dropping dead or being put in ICUs from the new variant . . Yes they sure are . Its LESS deadly , but much more infectious . factor in some tweaking of facts & reporting , but "in the US, Omicron is claiming an average of 2,200 lives each day " for the UK . reuters . com/world/uk/uk-records-313-new-covid-19-deaths-146390-cases-2022-01-08/" target="_blank">www . reuters . com "Some 313 deaths within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test were reported on Saturday" "Some 1 . 227 million people tested positive for COVID-19 during the past seven days, 11% more than the week before, while the weekly number of deaths was up 38% on the week before at 1,271" 313 deaths on the Saturday . But whats the TOTAL no of deaths from all causes , I bet significantly higher than 313 .	1101 (13337)
1484114	2022-02-08 22:27:00	Yes they sure are. Its LESS deadly , but much more infectious . factor in some tweaking of facts & reporting , but "in the US, Omicron is claiming an average of 2,200 lives each day " for the UK www.reuters.com "Some 313 deaths within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test were reported on Saturday" "Some 1.227 million people tested positive for COVID-19 during the past seven days, 11% more than the week before, while the weekly number of deaths was up 38% on the week before at 1,271" 313 deaths on the Saturday . But whats the TOTAL no of deaths from all causes , I bet significantly higher than 313 . That illustrates one of the biggest problems with Covid stats, far brighter people than I have produced graphs for several countries comparing average death rates between both pre Covid and post Covid years. Invariably the rates are almost the same, certainly within the margin of error.	CliveM (6007)
1484115	2022-02-09 05:12:00	Yes they sure are. Its LESS deadly , but much more infectious . factor in some tweaking of facts & reporting , but "in the US, Omicron is claiming an average of 2,200 lives each day " for the UK www.reuters.com "Some 313 deaths within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test were reported on Saturday" "Some 1.227 million people tested positive for COVID-19 during the past seven days, 11% more than the week before, while the weekly number of deaths was up 38% on the week before at 1,271" 313 deaths on the Saturday . But whats the TOTAL no of deaths from all causes , I bet significantly higher than 313 . thats pretty much right. UK hospitalisations went way up and deaths ~doubled when omicron hit. its not as bad as their previous waves, but people are still dyeing. no modelling is going to highly accurate and the modellers themselves have said that. its very difficult to factor in human behavior, good or bad. if modellers understate it, people will not react appropriately and that will make it worse. at least if they overstate it people will react better and omicron will not be as bad.	tweak'e (69)
1484116	2022-02-09 05:19:00	That illustrates one of the biggest problems with Covid stats, far brighter people than I have produced graphs for several countries comparing average death rates between both pre Covid and post Covid years. Invariably the rates are almost the same, certainly within the margin of error. the bleeding obvious problem with that is they are very different years, people are not doing the same things they where doing in pre covid years. it nots like covid years have been normal. so your comparing apples to bananas. for eg flu rates are way down, there is almost no flu to die from thanks to lockdowns etc. so its a flawed premise to start with. no doubt thats from your anti-vax mates as per usual. so you can pretty much guarantee its total BS.	tweak'e (69)
1484117	2022-02-09 05:26:00	The problem is all the mis-information and outright lies put forward as facts . By both sides of the arguement . The world had moved on & accept they cant beat or contain covid . The best that can be done is vax to try & minimize its severity . NZ is still in the 'we can beat it' stage . As soon as NZ's boarders open & home isolation kicks in, numbers will rocket . Then our hospitals will be pretty much stuffed , overloaded treating covid cases . Will get worse as hospital staff get sick . 'Normal' hospital operations & treatments will suffer . NZ is just postponing the inevitable . NZ is/was in a position where we could ride it out, then open back up after it dies down around the world. unfortunately the govt has given up and taking a big gamble opening back up mid wave, which of course will make it worse.	tweak'e (69)
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