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Thread ID: 150444	2022-01-25 22:07:00	Consider This Opinion	CliveM (6007)	PC World Chat

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1483945	2022-01-26 22:52:00	To me it still seems as if people are thinking of a pandemic as if it is a "miasma" slowly engulfing the population when in fact it is just the virus passing from one infected person' lungs to another and so on. The more casual we become the more of a "surge" we have. How infectious the virus is can cause changes in the time it takes to infect more or less people, but it isn't some sort of out of control "surge" over which we have no control. We are being misled.	zqwerty (97)
1483946	2022-01-27 01:32:00	A letter to New Zealand, from Covid-ravaged Australia: www.theguardian.com	zqwerty (97)
1483947	2022-01-27 06:11:00	The media doesnt want to look back at the the widely false NZ predictions . They just keep laying it on, the worse the prediction the better the news story Heres the latest. 50,000 DAILY by Waitangi weekend. So in a week and a half , we go from bugger all to 50,000 per day. Is anyone calling BS on this ? www.1news.co.nz i think its actually march rather than feb going by what they said on the news. but otherwise case numbers will get up there. other countries have had that amount (roughly) when you account for difference in population. but the big thing to keep in mind actual cases numbers are much higher than what the testing shows. it goes unnoticed by a lot of people, so they don't get tested, so that case is not recorded and they spread it around. also with our minimal restrictions, it will spread that fast.	tweak'e (69)
1483948	2022-01-31 07:05:00	If they say 50,000 a day how many days / weeks would its take to have engulfed the team of 5 million ya reckon ? might have to go try on a calculator....lol 5 mil / 50 thousand ? = 100 days approx ??? :badpc:	beetle (243)
1483949	2022-01-31 07:31:00	If they say 50,000 a day how many days / weeks would its take to have engulfed the team of 5 million ya reckon ? might have to go try on a calculator....lol 5 mil / 50 thousand ? = 100 days approx ??? :badpc: UK seamed to have reached the peak in about 30 days or so. (its come down now and flattened out, but at a fairly high level, which is concerning). some estimates a few weeks back reckoned most people in London have had covid. keep in mind the recorded cases numbers will be well below actual case numbers (as most don't know they have it), so it really only gives a trend. the likes of UK had no restrictions early on, so it got a great head start. but how fast it goes here depends greatly on what groups it gets into early on and what actions people do themselves. eg people are already doing their own lockdowns.	tweak'e (69)
1483950	2022-01-31 17:58:00	For most people it would seem to be a 2 day cold that you have to be tested for to know that it was Covid. We are about the only place in the world that refuses to allow our own citizens to return to their own country. We are also one of the very few countries with the population still living in fear and suffering from ever changing and inconsistent restrictions.	CliveM (6007)
1483951	2022-01-31 19:41:00	Austria’s powerful Constitutional Court has demanded detailed data from the country’s Health Ministry justifying the government’s coronavirus response. The Health Ministry has until February 18 to respond. But in order to justify his government’s heavy-handed rules, the court has asked Health Minister Wolfgang Mückstein to provide data across a broad range of topics including hospitalisations and deaths “with” as opposed to “from” Covid-19, the efficacy of masks and vaccines, and evidence supporting the now-rescinded “lockdown for the unvaccinated”. “The ‘lockdown for the unvaccinated’ is likely to be based, among other things, on the consideration that persons without Covid vaccination have a higher risk of hospitalisation than vaccinated persons, which is likely to entail a higher risk for the healthcare system,” the court wrote. “We came to the conclusion that the lockdown for unvaccinated people in Austria is only justifiable in the event of the threat of an imminent overburdening of intensive-care capacity,” Mr Mückstein said at a press conference. The letter began by citing a media report from October last year which stated that, as an example, patients in intensive care due to kidney failure who “happen to test positive” for Covid-19 “would count as Corona cases”. “By what factor does Covid vaccination reduce the risk of severe disease?” the court wrote. “In media reports, there was talk of up to 95 per cent. Now, the general risk of dying from Covid-19 currently appears to be 0.1516 per cent.?” In December, the Der Standard newspaper reported that there were one-third fewer Covid-19 deaths in 2021 compared with the previous year, but that weekly excess mortality was higher. “Is this true?” the letter asked. “If so, what was the total excess mortality in 2021 that could not be explained by Covid-19 deaths, and what is the explanation for this excess mortality?” It comes as a number of countries across Europe begin a major easing of restrictions. Denmark last week declared that Covid-19 was no longer a “socially critical disease”, with most rules to be scrapped from February 1. And our "modellers" say there will be 400 cases a day by end of the week. One wonders how they will be counted to make that be true.	piroska (17583)
1483952	2022-01-31 21:23:00	At the moment in NSW people are dying at the rate of about 30 - 40 a day from Covid, so I'm not sure where you are getting your info from CliveM? They thought they were over the worst but it's surging again with the new variant 'son of omicron' If the pandemic has taught me anything it is that businessmen shouldn't really be in charge of anything bigger than their pathetic little tourism dependent businesses which are in jeopardy at the moment, they really are hardly viable except in the most favourable of circumstances. Having power over peoples lives should be left to those with the capability of seeing the bigger picture involved in the running of a country. Which reminds me, where is BM these days?	zqwerty (97)
1483953	2022-01-31 21:57:00	If they open the Boarders & allow self isolating at home, then we'll soon head towards Australia's levels . "And our "modellers" say there will be 400 cases a day by end of the week" the modellers need to be held to task , if their predictions continue to be wildly wrong . 50,000 per day , by within (now) 7 days was the prediction according to some modelers . Any idiot could see that wont happen .	1101 (13337)
1483954	2022-01-31 22:02:00	Just remember once it stars surging, if it does, the increase is a geometric progression ie exponential. progression where every term bears a constant ratio to its preceding term. an example of a geometric progression is 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ...... If this starts happening, citizens will have to make their own decisions and lockdown until the worst is over, plenty of them won't however so it could get ugly if it takes off. Australia and other countries are a mess, Russia has 1,000,000 excess deaths, they didn't bother with a lockdown and also very low numbers vaccinated.	zqwerty (97)
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