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Thread ID: 81193	2007-07-19 22:50:00	XtraWireless, PPPoE, Vista and TradeMe	Geek4414 (12000)	Press F1

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570409	2007-07-19 22:50:00	Dear All, A friend of mine is using XtraWireless (kinda WiMax) and they have to do a PPPoE dial up from their PC(s) before they can connect to the net . By doing this, only one PC can be on the net at a time . Alternatively, they can connect using ICS on the Vista Desktop PC . The strange thing is . . . TradeMe takes years to open on the Vista PC and one web site simply refuses to open at all on that PC . The other two PCs in the home network open TradeMe normally, but also can't open this other web site while they are connected via ICS . Both PCs can open that web site fine if they connect directly with PPPoE . We've emailed the owner of the web site and they are not aware of any issues of Vista PCs accessing their site . In fact, they use a Vista PC to manage their web site . So it is obviously not a cut and dry Vista problem . I have wondered if it's a problem with ICS in Vista, but I haven't had a chance to get to these people again yet, as they are miles away in the sticks . They are seriously considering reverting back to XP even though they really do like Vista . :waughh: The second problem is to try to simplify their connectivity . Instead of having to use ICS or the user to having to do a PPPoE dialup, we would rather have a router establish the PPPoE connection automatically with the AirSpan unit . This way, similar to a typical ADSL connection, all PCs connected to the router should have transparent access to the net without having to worry about dialing in . We tried to use a DLink 524UP Wireless router to connect to the XtraWireless AirSpan Type42 Service Unit but it will not connect automatically . Spoke to Xtra & Dlink help desk extensively about this and they both believe it was a faulty DLink router, they said all I needed to do is to type in the login details in the DLink router and it suppose to establish the connection, but nothing happens there . I was also told to drop the MTU from 1500+ to 576, but the Dlink will not allow anything below 1000 . Anyway, cut a long story short, after waste hours of my life on this, I returned the DLink unit and they sent me another brand new one, but it still doesn't work . Oh, one last thing, the reason why we got the 524UP is because my friend wanted to use her laptop via WiFi . The WiFi part works beautifully, but the print server on the 524UP does not work on both units! Luckily their printer has both usb and a network port . So the laptop is configured to print to the network port . The Vista PC for some reason will not print to the network port, so we did a compromise and plugged the usb cable into the Vista PC . So both PCs can now print independently to the printer without having to rely on a shared printer . It is all very bizzare, does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong here? P . S . It would be so much easier if Telecom would provide a Wireless router with WiFi built in and PPPoE auto connect . I googled around and AirSpan does have one with WiFi built in but Telecom help desk said they only supply one type of unit in NZ and there is no immediate plan to supply any other ones .	Geek4414 (12000)
570410	2007-07-19 23:18:00	Linksys routers provide the requirements you speak of....I never have liked the d-link routers, especially the ones telecom provides, as I'm sure the software/firmware that runs on them is bespoke and less feature rich that the original products. With regard to the printer and network printing, was the printer plugged into the router/switch, does it have a static address or DHCP for the router. If you can sit a static address, you can use TCP/IP printing instead of USB for the Vista PC, simply create a printer port using the IP address of the printer. Re: PPPoE, I have never used it so not sure about settings....	SolMiester (139)
570411	2007-07-19 23:27:00	I've spent quite a number of hours with Vista trying to get it to print to a network printer and never got anywhere too. Had to do the same as you with the USB cable connected to the Vista PC while the rest of the XP machines print happily over the network. Have you thought about an old PC running IPCop or similar to act as the router?	CYaBro (73)
570412	2007-07-19 23:31:00	I'm going to look at this Vista Network printing issue.....Are you saying TCP/IP printing doesnt work in Vista?	SolMiester (139)
570413	2007-07-19 23:49:00	Okay, to set up network printing in Vista with a print that has a static address...... From add a printer>add local printer>create a new port>standard TCP/IP port>change device type to (TCP/IP device, in Hostname type the IP address of the printer and the port name will automatically copy for hostname, you can leave the tick in Query the printer etc>next and continue has normal.	SolMiester (139)
570414	2007-07-20 00:19:00	Solmiester I have had some Vista machines work fine printing to a TCP/IP network printer but also had a lot that just won't. Always setup the same on all machines but for some reason some vista machines just won't work. I've tried with a few different brands of printers as well. One of the printers I tried was an HP thing that had some bloated software but in it it had a network test program that would test the connection to the printer. This would always work fine but actual printing would not.	CYaBro (73)
570415	2007-07-20 00:26:00	Hey bud, thats not the HP13xxTN is it, uses the software to talk netbios or something to the network printer?.....With that software, I am sure you can set a static address, then I would just create the TCP/IP LP port. With regrades to some Vista pc's not working with IP printing, I would check what network environment they think they are in and network config, though cant think what setting Vista firewall would do to it.....can the machines ping the printer? Oh, and remove IPv6 from the NIC also.....	SolMiester (139)
570416	2007-07-20 01:46:00	Wow, amazing, so many replies so quickly! SolMiester, we're now stuck with the DLink router and it suppose to do the PPPoE auto connect thing anyway . Both Xtra and DLink's help desk said it should 'just work', but obviously it didn't, since I have had two units from DLink, one wouldn't think both units are faulty . > . . . . I never have liked the d-link routers, especially the > ones telecom provides . . . Well, yeah, you're right there, I have had two faulty ones in a row from Telecom before! So I guess, it's not inconceivable that both DLink units could be faulty . But I couldn't be bothered sending it back to the supplier to get it replaced yet again . > Have you thought about an old PC running IPCop or > similar to act as the router? These people are not computer geeks, they don't need more complications with introducing a Linux PC into the mix . Although the print server part of the DLink isn't working, I managed to work around it with the compromise I mentioned . So they do not have to leave a PC on to print via a shared printer . So that part is kinda solved . By the way, the printer does have static IP address and yes, the printer is plugged into the DLink . The XP laptop can print to it but the Vista PC can't . In regards to setting up network printing in Vista, I know how to do it, but it just doesn't print . :confused: I set everything the same as the settings as the XP laptop (which worked like a charm) . In fact it works 'instantly' compares to printing via USB . I even tried both the RAW and LPR options and every options in that screen to no avail . The two XP PCs have static IP addresses too, and the Vista PC has the default static IP address of 192 . 168 . 0 . 1, it has to be set to this to work because of ICS . The two XP PCs did not work with ICS properly if I use auto assigned IP, because the DLink's DHCP server will make itself as the gateway . And it doesn't work if I turn off the DHCP server in the DLink, the ICS Vista PC somehow can't assign IP to the two XP PCs, so I gave up and put static IPs on both XP PCs . > can the machines ping the printer? Haven't tried that, but the Vista machine can see other network shares etc . > Oh, and remove IPv6 from the NIC also . . . . . Is there any known problems with IPv6 being there? Any how, I got the network and ICS and the printer sort of working the way I wanted it to, well, as good as it can be . The biggest problem is that the Vista PC take YEARS to open TradeMe and it won't open one other web site at all while all other web sites seem to work normally . The XP PCs open TradeMe normally and that other web site opens fine if they were dialed up (PPPoE) directly instead of going via the ICS . So I suspect the ICS might be causing some of these issues . Oh, forgot to mention that . . . I have disabled the Protected Mode in IE7 and that made no difference to TradeMe and the other web site problem . Are there any freebie alternative to Vista's ICS? P . S . Actually, I am going to try one more thing . . . Running XP in a VM on Vista, wonder if that would make any difference!	Geek4414 (12000)
570417	2007-07-20 02:59:00	Hey bud, thats not the HP13xxTN is it, uses the software to talk netbios or something to the network printer?.....With that software, I am sure you can set a static address, then I would just create the TCP/IP LP port. With regrades to some Vista pc's not working with IP printing, I would check what network environment they think they are in and network config, though cant think what setting Vista firewall would do to it.....can the machines ping the printer? Oh, and remove IPv6 from the NIC also..... Tried all that and like I said I also tried different brands of printers, HP, Canon and Brother.	CYaBro (73)
570418	2007-07-20 05:00:00	IPv6 has caused issues on IPv4 networks before, usually removing IPv6 resolves these as it is not used until Longhorn server cames out. What security software are they running on Vista, Mcfee shield really slowed down Vista last time I looked at it..... Sorry cant be of further help!	SolMiester (139)
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