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Thread ID: 82808	2007-09-09 03:13:00	Computer Course Recommendations	Grimy (3041)	Press F1

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589437	2007-09-09 06:36:00	So you've met my wife then?! Oooh........joking honey! Boy- someone wants to be excommunicated :eek:	Shortcircuit (1666)
589438	2007-09-09 06:47:00	I think you'd be better off getting a second cheap PC and breaking it/playing around with it. Often its easier to simply come to a forum like this and get an easy step by step answer. Instead you should be learning by trail and error, or by trawling the internet for answers. Yeah that's what I did/do, just common sense + google most of the time. Forums help a lot too (so do the manuals that come with the new CD writer! :lol: )	Agent_24 (57)
589439	2007-09-09 07:08:00	The ones that annoy me far more are the ones that go like this: "But ???? said that x can't possibly be the problem - it must be something else. What's the next step?" "I can assure you that x is most likely to be the problem - would you please try this step anyway." "But why? ???? is a computer expert, he [it's usually a he] said that x was fine as it was." This Joke ( kind of) I found one day - goes right along with the above, change rates to suit: My hourly rates: $65 per hour. $70 per hour if you want to watch. $80 per hour if you want to help. $90 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed. $200 for a complete screw up / reinstall. You can change ideas, but its harder to change screwed up beliefs.	wainuitech (129)
589440	2007-09-09 07:33:00	It also helps to have some good resources: Spare Power Supply units you know are good. Service manuals (if you can find them). Systems that are all ready to go - just drop a hard drive in them to run hard drive diagnostics etc and drive enclosures Anti-static devices Other tools Software such as Ghost, diagnostic software, anti spyware etc etc.	gibler (49)
589441	2007-09-09 09:14:00	I think you'd be better off getting a second cheap PC and breaking it/playing around with it. Often its easier to simply come to a forum like this and get an easy step by step answer. Instead you should be learning by trail and error, or by trawling the internet for answers. I agree. Ive learnt alot since ive had my own computers.	breakdown conspiracy (12768)
589442	2007-09-09 09:33:00	One way of finding out / learning about fault finding is something I had happen once when doing some on the job training years ago - find a person who does know what they are doing, and willing to teach. What we had was an old PC that was running at first. The tech in charge then setup 10 faults between 3 PC's, and we had to find them, and figure out why the PC wouldn't run, the hardware could be changed Eg: faulty card inserted. We had a stock of working parts if we needed to change items..... Heres is the trick - all faults were there at once and every one of them could and did stop the PC from working right. Step 1 was hardware. Some not so obvious - jumpers in the wrong place for example. As if someone had fiddled and not undone what they had changed - It taught you to actually locate the problems and fix them, using manual / internet what ever. Once fixed then the software was altered and away you went again. Like altering the boot files or install incorrect drivers.	wainuitech (129)
589443	2007-09-09 10:45:00	I used to do the same thing when I was teaching motorcycle mechanics. Set up a bike with several faults and let the guys figure it out. However, before they got to that stage there was a lot of basic mechanical theory taught so that they would have an idea of a/how an engine worked b/what to look for and in what order and c/ good practices to keep the whole repair procedure under control. I have played with pulling PCs apart and adding/swapping things, and apart from a few long nights getting things up and running again I don't think I've actually stuffed anything...yet. I just feel I'm jumping ahead to the hands on/try this and see if it works (which I enjoy), before having much of the theory sorted.	Grimy (3041)
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