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590865	2007-09-13 17:49:00	Heroes Of Annihilated Empires. Great game. I just have on problem with it; It REQUIRES me to have a page file, regardless of how much ram i have, even to start. It requires users to have atleast a 1GB pagefile. At most ive seen the game use 900MB of ram, most of my friends have 2GB of ram and one of them has 4GB, with so much ram having a pagefile is pointless in XP. But when it comes to playign this game, its required. So i was wondering, What many other games "Require" a pagefile?	Mirddes (10)
590866	2007-09-13 19:25:00	Windows itself will page files out of RAM regardless of whether or not you think you have a page file. It'll just drop exe and dlls out of memory. Why fight it?	PaulD (232)
590867	2007-09-13 21:18:00	windows XP is a virtualy memeory OS. it doesn't run from the ram but from virtual memory. if you disable/ cut down the amount of virtual memory the pc goes slower and often crashes. if you have 4 gig ram you need 4gig-8gig page file. hope your hardrive is big ;)	tweak'e (69)
590868	2007-09-13 21:33:00	the 3 months i went without a pagefile were just as stable as usual. The only reason i have a pagefile is because of HoAE. ive set it at a fixed value of exactly 1GB because thats what it demands. From what ive read there are even security benefits to having no pagefile. as for windows "dropping exe and dlls out of memory" , sure, it will happen, but only if you run out of ram. when i launched cnc3 while i still had firefox etc running, cnc3 quickly crashed as it finished loading the game, with firefox gone my system would get to about 900MB memory usage with cnc3 running. i only have 1GB of ram. I think of the pagefile more of a safety net than anything else. from what i understand usage of the pagefile is similar to usage of swap in linux	Mirddes (10)
590869	2007-09-13 21:48:00	You can get away with not using a page file but as previously stated you run the risk of having files drop out of your memory. The best thing to do is to set a fixed page file size. I use a 1024MB page file size and it works very well. cheers	chiefnz (545)
590870	2007-09-13 22:25:00	Your PC will probably run slower without a pagefile since Windows will page stuff out regardless of the amount of memory you have. If you have disabled it due to speed, put it on a different hard drive or on a RAID0 array. I think Linux survives ok without any swap if you have sufficient memory.	autechre (266)
590871	2007-09-14 02:08:00	I have 3.0GB of 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 Corsair Ram, and have a 0MB paging file. My computer runs very speedy and quickly and have never had problems with random crashes or anything like that. I play Company of Heroes, which tries to get you to use 756 or some similar amount of P.F. but I didn't need to, i found a way around it, and everything still works fine.	Bozo (8540)
590872	2007-09-14 02:39:00	I knew there was another game i had which wanted some pagefile, do you have a link to the work around you used for coh?	Mirddes (10)
590873	2007-09-14 07:29:00	I knew there was another game i had which wanted some pagefile, do you have a link to the work around you used for coh? Sorry but i have absolutly NO idea, i will have a look, but it was a while ago ae. Sorry	Bozo (8540)
590874	2007-09-15 02:33:00	The most effective way I'm aware of to deal with the compulsory pagefile issue is to get some extra RAM, then run a ramdrive program, set it at a substantial size and allocate that to your pagefile. Couple that with this reg tweak: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\SessionManager\MemoryManagement] "NonPagedPoolSize"=dword:FFFFFFFF Copy/paste to Notepad, save as nopagefile.reg then double-click the saved file. Remembering, of course, to back up your registry first. This has the effect of Windows writing the RAM overflow to a separate chunk of RAM, which will always be waaaay faster than scratching it to HDD. The security issue is covered because the pagefile will disappear every time you shut down and be recreated on reboot.	1024KB (12633)
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