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Thread ID: 83350	2007-09-28 07:31:00	Did I Fry My Motherboard?	Norseguy (12873)	Press F1

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596007	2007-09-28 11:53:00	From Wikipedia: "To create the anti-static effect, the bags are slightly conductive, forming a Faraday cage around the item to be protected and preventing any localized charges from being deposited onto the protected devices as the bags are handled. It is important that the bags only be opened at static-free workstations." en.wikipedia.org That is true, Thats why I put some one who knows what they are doing. I been in this business for over 10 years so I think I know about the dangers of static some how. All my work stations are setup to be static free. I doubt very many people unless they work in the business have an antistatic workstaion. Just touching a board after walking on carpet can stuff it. Maybe not right away but it can. Having it on the bag wont do it any harm, but not having it on the bag and on carpet or table cloth for example may. Some PC's are damaged even before they are finished by people not knowing what they are doing. I have seen people who have no idea what they are doing lay brand new motherboards on the carpet thinking because carpets soft it wont hurt the board - :groan: Instead of running others down Deane why dont you offer some constructive advice. Dont say you are just pointing some thing out I have seen that used as an excuse from some people because they don't know any thing else to say.	wainuitech (129)
596008	2007-09-28 22:05:00	I been in this business for over 10 years so I think I know about the dangers of static some how. All my work stations are setup to be static free. I posted my comment only because I am concerned that the topic starter does not damage his hardware. I doubt very many people unless they work in the business have an antistatic workstaion. But they can get by - they just need to take precautions. They need to make sure that they are at the same electrical potential as the equipment they are touching. Instead of running others down Deane why dont you offer some constructive advice. Dont say you are just pointing some thing out I have seen that used as an excuse from some people because they don't know any thing else to say. I don't think that my post about anti-static bags warrants this sort of comment from you. I didn't run you down at all. If you have ten years in the business and you are providing written advice about bench-testing a setup then you should give complete instructions to the topic starter about potential difference. Just laying his mobo on an anti-static bag is not an ESD precaution.	Deane F (8204)
596009	2007-09-28 22:21:00	Okay that may have been a bit harsh - sorry about that . I don't think giving advice regarding the dangers of static would be much good . If the builder was unsure of things and may have read about saftey then it would be known . There are thousands of articles about that on the internet, and any damage could have already been done . The least a person can do is touch the case to discharge or wear antistitic protection . In fact the instructions that come with most Motherboards/components tell you / warn you of that any way . But not every one reads them . Its almost a case of "what you can't see can't hurt" The motherboard may be damaged anyway by static or by the builder - if the original fault was caused by having risers in the wrong place the board may have shorted - hence not running correctly . Having it outside the case would tell if some metal is still shorting . The reason I said lay the board on the bag was simply less chance of getting static from another matherial Eg; The carpet or other fabric on the bench . But if the boards damaged it wouldn't matter any way . - Expensive lesson .	wainuitech (129)
596010	2007-09-28 22:26:00	but I've connected a video card and seem to be getting no connection through my monitor the screen remains blank/black. and............ah couldnt be bothered checking ths but is the mobo got onboard vid also ? cause if so and you have 'added a video card' then connected the monitor to it you will only get a black screen........what you need to do FIRST is to hook the monitor up to the onboard connector then boot into the bios and change it to suit the fact that you want the system to run from an 'add on ' card.....you'll see it somewhere : use pci use agp whatever...........THEN you can shut off and install the new 'addon' card and you should be getting some monitor activity from it basically a system will NOT automatically use any addon video card you have to TELL it to do so in the bios	drcspy (146)
596011	2007-09-29 00:29:00	and............ah couldnt be bothered checking ths but is the mobo got onboard vid also ? cause if so and you have 'added a video card' then connected the monitor to it you will only get a black screen........what you need to do FIRST is to hook the monitor up to the onboard connector then boot into the bios and change it to suit the fact that you want the system to run from an 'add on ' card.....you'll see it somewhere : use pci use agp whatever...........THEN you can shut off and install the new 'addon' card and you should be getting some monitor activity from it basically a system will NOT automatically use any addon video card you have to TELL it to do so in the bios Shouldn't be an issue with that motherboard, it doesn't have onboard video. I've never had to tell a motherboard without onboard video to use a separate video card.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
596012	2007-09-29 01:29:00	Shouldn't be an issue with that motherboard, it doesn't have onboard video. I've never had to tell a motherboard without onboard video to use a separate video card. Neither. I did once have a customer who bought a computer off me, plugged his screen into the onboard when he had a video card, concluded that it was broken and proceeded to "fix" it. This meant jamming various cables in various sockets until smoke resulted :(	george12 (7)
596013	2007-09-29 01:47:00	This meant jamming various cables in various sockets until smoke resulted :( Sorry but can't resist this- That was the problem - let the smoke out:D Serious though - just something that came to me - if the board tries to fire up don't worry to much if the CPU fan doesn't spin up right away. Some mother boards have whats called " Smart Fan Control" in the BIOS, which means the CPU fan wont start until the CPU gets hot enough to require more cooling. Got a Gigabyte Board at the moment and it sits on 21 Degress for ages - no fan - but as soon as you start "working it" the CPU fan starts.	wainuitech (129)
596014	2007-09-29 02:00:00	Sorry but can't resist this- That was the problem - let the smoke out:D Serious though - just something that came to me - if the board tries to fire up don't worry to much if the CPU fan doesn't spin up right away. Some mother boards have whats called " Smart Fan Control" in the BIOS, which means the CPU fan wont start until the CPU gets hot enough to require more cooling. Got a Gigabyte Board at the moment and it sits on 21 Degress for ages - no fan - but as soon as you start "working it" the CPU fan starts. I've found this with lots of Gigabyte boards. I though the fan was intermittant the first time it occured, because it was turning on and off all the time. Turns out it was just a VERY cool-running C2D.	george12 (7)
596015	2007-09-29 02:08:00	I've found this with lots of Gigabyte boards. I though the fan was intermittant the first time it occured, because it was turning on and off all the time. Turns out it was just a VERY cool-running C2D. Yep I fair Panicked :eek: :eek: when Smart Fan Control Came out - started the board and "Shi*" NO CPU fan - Quickly turning off the PC. THEN I read The Manual:thumbs:	wainuitech (129)
596016	2007-09-29 02:24:00	Yep I fair Panicked :eek: :eek: when Smart Fan Control Came out - started the board and "Shi*" NO CPU fan - Quickly turning off the PC. THEN I read The Manual:thumbs: As they say, if all else fails, read the manual/directions :D	Sherman (9181)
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