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| Thread ID: 141533 | 2016-01-03 22:18:00 | It is a marvelous world that we live in. | Roscoe (6288) | PC World Chat |
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| 1413881 | 2016-01-10 01:29:00 | The second 'difficulty' is that, being a sentient person, the purported hand of an all-seeing all-knowing omnipotent 'supernatural being' in human form (which is the ultimate human ego trip) does not fall within my belief structuresCarl Sagan (en.wikipedia.org) put it quite succinctly, and I'll try my best repeat his analogy. Imagine the 2 dimensional world of the paper people. They can see left and right, forwards and backwards. They cannot see up or down. Now imagine if a potato comes out of the sky and lands in paperland. The paper people can see only part of the potato which is on the surface. They have utterly no concept that he is in fact a 3 dimensional object, but he exists all the same despite the paper-brains not knowing his true dimensions. Same with us... just because we can't understand the concept of an omnipotent God doesn't mean he doesn't exist. | Greg (193) | ||
| 1413882 | 2016-01-10 01:46:00 | Carl Sagan (en.wikipedia.org) put it quite succinctly, and I'll try my best repeat his analogy. Imagine the 2 dimensional world of the paper people. They can see left and right, forwards and backwards. They cannot see up or down. Now imagine if a potato comes out of the sky and lands in paperland. The paper people can see only part of the potato which is on the surface. They have utterly no concept that he is in fact a 3 dimensional object, but he exists all the same despite the paper-brains not knowing his true dimensions. Same with us... just because we can't understand the concept of an omnipotent God doesn't mean he doesn't exist. It doesn't mean that he does either! There are more than 2500 gods that are believed in by signficant groups of people throughout the world. The only thing that one can be absolutely certain of is that most, if not all, are figments of the imagination. I lean towards them all being imaginary. |
CliveM (6007) | ||
| 1413883 | 2016-01-10 03:09:00 | It doesn't mean that he does either! There are more than 2500 gods that are believed in by signficant groups of people throughout the world. The only thing that one can be absolutely certain of is that most, if not all, are figments of the imagination. I lean towards them all being imaginary. :+1: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1413884 | 2016-01-10 03:49:00 | I've always had a problem with the Idea of a finite universe or multiple universes, universe to me means everything and if there are more than one of them it needs another name in my book. Perhaps multiple realities or dimensions or whatever, but all contained within the universe which is all things and infinite. I remember an episode of the original star trek, where Captain Kirk ended up in a alternate universe ("mirror mirror" episode (www.youtube.com) - YouTube). A mirror reflection, and everything was negative of ourselves. Not saying there is that mirror or parallel universe. But boundaries could be established based on scientific factors; e.g. ratio's of atoms/matter/voids or whatever. Like the 5 or so oceans,of which the boundaries are based on scientific and other factors. But really one body or Grand ocean, like the grand universe and perhaps sub universe should or need they exist or be created. A conical visual (contrarymotion.net) of the Universe... this is based onb the WMAP ( A lot of dark matter and energy was discovered. More at Wikipedia (Microwave Anisotropy Probe (MAP) Spacecraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe" target="_blank">map.gsfc.nasa.gov/) (NASA cosmology description) spacecraft data collected by NASA over 9 years. A lot of dark matter and energy was discovered. More at Wikipedia (Microwave Anisotropy Probe (MAP) Spacecraft (https:)). - Then another follow on space observatory mission the Planck spacecraft (en.wikipedia.org(spacecraft)) (Wikipedia article). from what I understand more refined and the universe was calculated to be a bit older than calculated earlier. Plus validation and less margins of errors than earlier mission. Also related, and one that I studied in chemical engineering thermodynamics and astrophysics is the concept of Entropy - a measure of order/disorder based on thermodynamics - and energy equilibrium (specifically the 2nd law). Thus the universe may also strive to reach equilibrium - i.e. a energy balance, rather than reversibility to perhaps reach maximum entropy. Best described as the "heat death" of the Universe (en.wikipedia.org) (Wikipedia). |
kahawai chaser (3545) | ||
| 1413885 | 2016-01-10 04:05:00 | It doesn't mean that he does either! There are more than 2500 gods that are believed in by significant groups of people throughout the world. The only thing that one can be absolutely certain of is that most, if not all, are figments of the imagination. I lean towards them all being imaginary. Beg to differ, the vast majority are figurines/objects/moons/stars/Avatars/Harry Potters/animals of all sorts or other, even material things. lurking. www.google.co.nz |
Lurking (218) | ||
| 1413886 | 2016-01-10 04:12:00 | once again - did you look at the link I posted? That really shows you the relativity of infinitely large AND impossibly small... Yes I did, and I liked it. I was suggesting that despite wonderful visual aids like that we really can't hold the concept of that much vastness in our heads. To truly understand how infinitesimally small and insignificant we really are even compared to things we can see with our own eyes. I saw a diagram of the observable universe showing the sphere of everything that it's currently theoretically possible for us to see, similar to one of the zoomed out stages of your link, and on that scale our entire galaxy is an invisible spec in the centre. back on boundaries, the age of the universe tells us how far we can theoretically see, the expansion of the universe tells us how far we will ever be able to see. Current theories suggest the universe is much bigger than either boundary and that if that's the case we will never be able to observe most of it. Another wonderful thought to ponder, if we look in two opposite directions at the furthest items we can see, light from those objects will not have reached each other yet and won't for many many millions of years. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1413887 | 2016-01-10 04:20:00 | What about the Goddess’s, Raquel Welsh, Ursula Andress, Brigitte Bardot ………………….? I protest, the thread has become sexist. :D |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1413888 | 2016-01-10 04:50:00 | Carl Sagan (en.wikipedia.org) put it quite succinctly, and I'll try my best repeat his analogy. Imagine the 2 dimensional world of the paper people. They can see left and right, forwards and backwards. They cannot see up or down. Now imagine if a potato comes out of the sky and lands in paperland. The paper people can see only part of the potato which is on the surface. They have utterly no concept that he is in fact a 3 dimensional object, but he exists all the same despite the paper-brains not knowing his true dimensions. Same with us... just because we can't understand the concept of an omnipotent God doesn't mean he doesn't exist. What rubbish. We can figure out there is a 3rd dimension and that would be what a 3d thing would look like. Like in our 3d world people have figured out about other dimensional representations in 3d. There is no proof of god or gods and plenty of proof of none. Some people just have a blockage in their brains and listen to the twaddle others stuff it full of and can't get past that. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1413889 | 2016-01-10 05:17:00 | I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster pctek! I am studying to be able to officiate at weddings for other believers. Ken |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1413890 | 2016-01-10 05:27:00 | I believe I have a right to determine what I believe in. I stopped having an imaginary friend about age 4. I had real friends by then | gary67 (56) | ||
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