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Thread ID: 141533	2016-01-03 22:18:00	It is a marvelous world that we live in.	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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1413871	2016-01-05 23:34:00	Unfortunately, as I think about the beauty of the World I find it more than offset by the damn right ugliness. :( And as Karamea Dave pointed out in Post #56 those that have no food, shelter, or hope, may not see the world through rose coloured glasses. Yep, I’m thankful to have been born into the first world when I consider the alternatives. :)	B.M. (505)
1413872	2016-01-05 23:37:00	joemonster.org	bevy121 (117)
1413873	2016-01-06 02:39:00	....the world being a place of great beauty, there certainly are such places, but as the old proverb goes “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and I can’t find anything of great beauty crossing the Nullarbor or visiting Ayers Rock. But then again some people find being at sea in a storm a thing of great beauty, whilst I find it a damn inconvenience. :( We generally find the environment we grew up in the nicest. Then again some people move and find the new one more to their liking....but we are part of the environment, we kind of have to like it, if we found - say Mercury or Jupiter better, we'd be checked into the nearest mental health facility. I find outside in the garden quite enjoyable. A lot of people I know go on about the closeness of the neighbours, the type of house and stuff, me I can enjoy the the garden because it's smaller and manageable - more time to sit and appreciate how it is now. And it's green, growing like mad, lovely. The rain was great, filled the tanks, watered the gardens. Others moan about the rain all the time. I prefer the growth to deserts.....even the sort of deserts we have in NZ....too barren for me. But I grew up with gardens, so I guess that had something to do with it.	pctek (84)
1413874	2016-01-07 08:42:00	We generally find the environment we grew up in the nicest. Then again some people move and find the new one more to their liking....but we are part of the environment, we kind of have to like it, if we found - say Mercury or Jupiter better, we'd be checked into the nearest mental health facility. I find outside in the garden quite enjoyable. A lot of people I know go on about the closeness of the neighbours, the type of house and stuff, me I can enjoy the the garden because it's smaller and manageable - more time to sit and appreciate how it is now. And it's green, growing like mad, lovely. The rain was great, filled the tanks, watered the gardens. Others moan about the rain all the time. I prefer the growth to deserts.....even the sort of deserts we have in NZ....too barren for me. But I grew up with gardens, so I guess that had something to do with it. I use to like gardens, relatively easy to create, and grow veges, picked up from my mother raising a large family. But then I sold my rotary hoes, and abandoned gardening about 20 years ago, due to much upkeep, weeding, etc. Can be quite nice producing veges though. But vege prices are now generally lowish and veges abundant. Been thinking to recreate another garden - though a landscape type one, really to reduce mowing my large back lawn... Actually I saw a documentary, where a man in the UK lived within his indoor garden type house, lush exotic plants surrounding him, and that was his beauty he explained.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1413875	2016-01-07 18:39:00	I use to like gardens, relatively easy to create, and grow veges, . But then I sold my rotary hoes, and abandoned gardening about 20 years ago, due to much upkeep, weeding, etc. Can be quite nice producing veges though. . Vege prices in season are cheap. But try finding fresh picked peas, for instance. They have to be fresh... Anyway we preserve, jam, relish and so on as well as the freezer. But it's not just veges, there is the strawberry patch, grapevine, the lemon tree, the passionfruit vine, the dwarf cherry, dwarf orange, the herbs and the flowers. Some of the herbs are groundcover - weed control. The rest I mulch with mainly leaves. Excellent mulch, keeps the weeding to a bare minimum and does brilliant things to the soil. So it's easy really. We haven't had a rotary hoe in years now.	pctek (84)
1413876	2016-01-08 21:58:00	Returning to the original theme . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Sun, the Earth, the other planets of our solar system, and the Universe, exist because they exist, and we exist because they exist . There are only two concepts that I have difficulty in accepting: The first is the infinity of space . Even if it is warped in space-time and folds back on itself, i . e . it has finite boundaries, I can't help asking myself the obvious question: 'But what lies outside of those boundaries?' What hosts the 'finite' Universe and what lies outside the boundaries of our Universe? Hopefully Stephen Hawking will solve the final equations that will ultimately answer those questions, he has produced answers to most of the signnificant questions that long eluded the reach of lesser intellects . The second 'difficulty' is that, being a sentient person, the purported hand of an all-seeing all-knowing omnipotent 'supernatural being' in human form (which is the ultimate human ego trip) does not fall within my belief structures! For example, why couldn't 'God' be an Octopus, they have a large brain and are very intelligent, are able problem solvers and can use tools . Then there are many 'Gods' and/or cultures worshipped by the human races . According to their scriptures, Hinduism has 320 million Gods, while one 'Michael Jordan' has documented in his book 'Encyclopedia of Gods' over 2500 active Deities (that is to say, they are active in the sense that they are currently followed and worshipped by a credible number of adherents) . On that basis it would seem that (according to the web) Christianity at 33% has the largest individual number of adherents, but remains a minority group even when lumped in with the 16% who profess no religion . This leaves 51% worshipping other Gods, which tends to repudiate the Christian belief that their God is in charge . Each to his own . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cheers Billy 8-{) :2cents: Interestingly, the word 'repudiate' is associated with ethnic groups or peoples who rejected christianity . I didn't know that until I checked the full meaning in the Oxford Dictionary .	Billy T (70)
1413877	2016-01-08 22:45:00	If you look at the "zoomed out" part of the link I posted, you will see that the universe is 14,000,000,000 years old, anything further away than that would take more than 14,000,000,000 light years to see, and as that is before the universe existed, that's as far as we can "see" joemonster.org	bevy121 (117)
1413878	2016-01-09 01:17:00	Returning to the original theme................ The Sun, the Earth, the other planets of our solar system, and the Universe, exist because they exist, and we exist because they exist. There are only two concepts that I have difficulty in accepting: The first is the infinity of space. Even if it is warped in space-time and folds back on itself, i.e. it has finite boundaries, I can't help asking myself the obvious question: 'But what lies outside of those boundaries?' What hosts the 'finite' Universe and what lies outside the boundaries of our Universe? Cheers Billy 8-{) :2cents:[/I] Those are my thoughts. I think that it is very difficult to imagine space being infinite, I rather imagine it as having a boundary. If so, what is beyond that boundary? I find it difficult to imagine nothing. But even if there is nothing I can't imagine nothing having no boundary. Perhaps the nothing goes on forever? That is also very hard to imagine. So what is the answer? Most perplexing.	Roscoe (6288)
1413879	2016-01-09 06:40:00	Never mind the infinite, I think it's impossible to truly grasp even much smaller things relative to our own size. For example it's tough enough to try and visualize how bog the planet truly is compared to use, then realise that's pretty small compared to the distance to the moon, which is really tiny when compared to the distance to our sun. By the time you get to the size of a whole solar system or galaxy you are already beyond what I believe most humans can realistically grasp, it all just becomes academic and the numbers are ridiculously huge. We can kind of understand infinity as a concept, but we can't truly appreciate how big that is. On the subject of boundaries and the age of the universe, there are 2 theoretical horizons we can't see past and we are close to being able to see that far with our best optical instruments. One is what was mentioned due to the age of the universe we shouldn't see any light from before that date (but do we really know what came before the universe as it is now). The other one is even more mind bending, as the universe is expanding there is a maximum distance light can travel before the accumulated expansion of the universe adds up to more than the speed of light and it can never reach the end. No the universe does not expand faster than the speed of light at any one point but over distance it adds up in a cumulative fashion. Like an ant walking on an infinitely stretching rubber band, it can make progress and gets farther and farther from the start but might never reach the end. I've always had a problem with the Idea of a finite universe or multiple universes, universe to me means everything and if there are more than one of them it needs another name in my book. Perhaps multiple realities or dimensions or whatever, but all contained within the universe which is all things and infinite.	dugimodo (138)
1413880	2016-01-09 22:47:00	once again - did you look at the link I posted? That really shows you the relativity of infinitely large AND impossibly small...	bevy121 (117)
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