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| Thread ID: 141533 | 2016-01-03 22:18:00 | It is a marvelous world that we live in. | Roscoe (6288) | PC World Chat |
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| 1413851 | 2016-01-05 02:56:00 | Well done Roscoe for reminding us, even with all the bad things that happen in the world, that we do live in a beautiful world with some amazing things to see and do. Just as one example, I have been through the Rocky Mountains by train to the other side of Canada where I visited Niagara Falls and they really are something special! Even our own backyard here in NZ is filled with gorgeous sights and wild life. It's not about the destination sometimes it's about the journey and life is the longest thing you'll ever do - so enjoy it people! Thank you for your positive support lordnoddy. Makes a change from some of the negativity that we read from some on this forum. I have been on two long train trips - the Indian Pacific between Sydney and Perth and the Ghan between Adelaide and Darwin and saw many of the sights along the way. The most spectacular was the trip to see Ayres Rock - Uluru - and what a sight that is. Just a small part of two great trips through some different and fantastic country. I can only say again: what a truly magnificent world we live in. |
Roscoe (6288) | ||
| 1413852 | 2016-01-05 02:58:00 | PCTek, you are in true form. No matter what the topic is you will always find the negative side. Don't you ever see the positive side of anything? Granted, there are some nasty stories in the Bible, but there are some very nice stories as well if you just want to find them. But then I don't suppose that would suit you. You just like to find the worst side of everything. What a sad person you must be. But once again, I reiterate. I was just saying what a wonderful world we live in. I was not trying to start an discussion on religion. This is an amazing diatribe of condescension on your part Rosco. You were trying to sneak a creator in under the radar and were caught out badly. You now trying to distance yourself from your earlier comments reflects poorly on you. Be honest...own up. |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1413853 | 2016-01-05 03:17:00 | This is an amazing diatribe of condescension on your part Rosco. You were trying to sneak a creator in under the radar and were caught out badly. You now trying to distance yourself from your earlier comments reflects poorly on you. Be honest...own up. If you read what I wrote you will see that I said that "I find it difficult to believe in God, but if you have ever marvelled at the magnificence of our earth and how everything is so intertwined with everything else you might agree that something had a hand in designing it all." I just said that I find it incredible to think that all this magnificence "just happened." There must have been something that made it happen - I was not suggesting a creator - but what that might be I have no idea. |
Roscoe (6288) | ||
| 1413854 | 2016-01-05 03:46:00 | Darwin isn't an opinion he is a proven fact in his theories.That's a complete contradiction... "proven fact" "theories" What the...? Its gotta be one or the other! lmao! | Greg (193) | ||
| 1413855 | 2016-01-05 04:08:00 | What I would like to know is when in history hasn’t there been a Religious War or Religious unrest somewhere? The unrest in Ireland may never have been called a war but the actions of the IRA were not that dissimilar to ISIS which is reason enough for me to disassociate myself from all religions and go with Darwin. :D |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1413856 | 2016-01-05 04:38:00 | What I would like to know is when in history hasn’t there been a Religious War or Religious unrest somewhere? The unrest in Ireland may never have been called a war but the actions of the IRA were not that dissimilar to ISIS which is reason enough for me to disassociate myself from all religions and go with Darwin. :D I am quite certain that I did not start a post on religion. I simply said what a great place our world is. And you speak about the unrest in Ireland as a thing of the past, but it still goes on today. It just does not make the news any more. |
Roscoe (6288) | ||
| 1413857 | 2016-01-05 04:41:00 | Greg you make a common error focussing on language and misunderstanding what a scientific theory is. Also many who do that do it on purpose when they know better, that's dishonest and I hope you are not one of those. Do you disbelieve the theory of Gravity? the theory of evolution has met every scientific test and criteria to be considered a fact, that doesn't mean it'll get renamed something else. You don't drop the word theory from a scientific principle when you prove it to be true. In science a theory can be fact, there is no contradiction. The error lies in the common language usage of the word to mean something which is not proven, that is not the scientific definition of a theory. Here's a better explanation notjustatheory.com/ or try this http: You'll see many possible ways to use the word, including the one you are choosing to use. If you look up evolution in a modern encyclopedia or scientific reference book you'll see it described as an established fact. Here's a couple simple articles if you don't want to do the heavy reading www.nas.edu en.wikipedia.org Belief in religion is based on faith, belief in evolution is based on observations and evidence. Mankind has done many awesome things and many horrible ones, the world is full of amazing and beautiful stuff. Why give the credit for any of it to some imaginary supernatural being. Most people only believe in their religion because they happen to be born into it, and yet the place of your birth somehow means you are right and the overwhelming majority of people in the world who believe differently than you must be wrong. That's just foolish. On another tack, try this gphhawkinsrationalistsociety.weebly.com |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1413858 | 2016-01-05 05:03:00 | I just said that I find it incredible to think that all this magnificence "just happened." There must have been something that made it happen - I was not suggesting a creator - but what that might be I have no idea. You seem to assume that the inception of the universe was constrained by the same limitations that we are. Among the stars we are merely specks of insignificant dust, The entirety of human existence so far nothing more than a mere blip on the time-line. Like an Amoeba trying to understand the entire ocean, we exist inside something so large and so old we cannot comprehend the scale of it, and to force onto it the idea that it must have been 'made' is sheer lunacy. And what if it did all happen by accident or chance? Would that make it any less magnificent? Would you enjoy the world any less? |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1413859 | 2016-01-05 08:43:00 | Evolution is well supported by evidence such as the fossil record, but there are several problems. (I am not a creationist BTW) (a) There is a problem in atomic physics called the measurement problem which says that something arising from randomness does not have a real value until observed. Well, evolution has an essential dependence on randomness so the measurement problem suggests that animals are not real until observed. A creature newly arising in our world via the process of evolution does not contribute to the logic of our world (ie, is not real) until we know about it. Nonsense, you say. Unfortunately, saying that puts you on a collision course with atomic physicists. I repeat that the problem is identical for atomic physics and evolution. It even applies to the simple toss of a coin. If the coin is 100% fair and the tossing 100% random, then when it lands on the floor it does not have a real value (does not contribute to the logic of our world) until we look at it. (b) The Anthropic Principle mentioned by pctek is usually applied to a few cherry-picked events at the time of the Big Bang, but logically it applies to the whole of our past, even a microsecond ago. Basically, things would not be exactly the way they are now if the past weren't exactly the way it was. In the case of evolution, the anthropic principle says that creatures preventing the future arrival of man could not have arisen otherwise we would not be here. The same applies to other biological and environmental events. Overall, it seems to nullify the idea that randomness is pulling the strings. In both cases, the simplest solution is to deny the existence of a reality that exists independent of our beliefs. That is, the world of reality is what we believe it to be, not what we imagine exists independent of us. Atomic physics seems to support this approach, and it also solves the problem of free will. ("People don't have free will. They behave exactly according to the reality around them. However, the reality surrounding each person is personal to them. The differences between people that we attribute to free will are caused by their different realities.") Unfortunately, many people are wedded to the idea of a single external reality applying to everybody and dogmatically assert that it exists in spite of the evidence. What does the Bible say? It says that God made the world before the Fall and man made the world after. So God did not make our current world (contrary to what the Creationists say). I find it intriguing that the Bible and atomic physicists are tending towards agreement on this point (that man creates the world around us) |
BBCmicro (15761) | ||
| 1413860 | 2016-01-05 18:23:00 | Evolution is well supported by evidence such as the fossil record, but there are several problems.Sorry, that's a lot of plop. You may have evolved from a fish or a monkey, but I certainly didn't. | Greg (193) | ||
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