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Thread ID: 83921 2007-10-17 23:26:00 Hauppauge PCI DVB-S Tuner wratterus (105) Press F1
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602621 2007-10-18 02:17:00 I looked at the freeview website, and it said that hi def signal will be transmitted using the old UHF aerials, which does seem a bit backwards. It says there are no current plans to transmit it over satellite, but I suppose they always may in the future, which would make the 4000 model worth it if they did decide to. I may hold off on one of these tuners until next year once they have got hi def working.
The way I look at it is that its taken them this look to change to Hi-Def and digital that they aren't about the change anytime soon. Especially since they've had to convince the public to go out and buy set top boxes etc. Its a possibility but i wouldn't count on it any time soon.

Theres nothing wrong with transmitting over UHF problems only arise in areas when signal strength is weak, thus the reasoning for providing satellite as well. At least people in remote area will still be able to a good quality picture even if its not Hi-Def.
Pete O'Neil (6584)
602622 2007-10-18 02:47:00 No point bothering with the 4000 all its brings to the table is support for DVB-S2 which is just high def over satellite a service we wont be getting in NZ. You wont see any gains for the increase in cost.

My friend was a muppet and shouldn't have wasted his money on the 4000 when the 3000 would have sufficed.

That was my reasoning for getting the 3000... and the new TV arrives tomorrow... guess what I'll be doing this w/end? :D
Shortcircuit (1666)
602623 2007-10-18 22:31:00 What sort of hi-def are we getting in NZ if it is not DVB-S2?

Just as well NZ didnt future proof & get DVB-S2

en.wikipedia.org

"The authors claim that the DVB-S2 performance gain over DVB-S is around 30%[citation needed]. When the contribution of improvements in video compression is added, an (MPEG-4) HDTV service can now be delivered in the same capacity that supported an early DVB-S-MPEG-2 SDTV service, only a decade before."
"The conversion process from DVB-S to DVB-S2 is expected to take about 15 years -- probably in sync with the coming of HDTV. DVB-S has proven to be a well designed and flexible standard. This thus makes the upgrade process take longer for those delivering programming.

DirecTV in the U.S. is now switching over to offer their local and some national HDTV channels. They use the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec for this process.

Direct to Home broadcasters using DVB-S2 (experimentally)

* Sky HD in the UK
* Dish Network in the U.S.
* Bell ExpressVu in Canada

These broadcasters have used DVB-S2SNG for uplink and downlink to their centralized transmission facilities, but may not have instituted DVB-S2 transmissions.

The typical lifetime of a Direct to Home Set Top Box is about 5 years, with most lasting 7 years or more. Therefore it is to be expected that the conversion procss to DVB-S2 should take about 10 years as a baseline estimate."
steveroby (9470)
602624 2007-10-19 01:22:00 The way I look at it is that its taken them this look to change to Hi-Def and digital that they aren't about the change anytime soon. Especially since they've had to convince the public to go out and buy set top boxes etc. Its a possibility but i wouldn't count on it any time soon.

Theres nothing wrong with transmitting over UHF problems only arise in areas when signal strength is weak, thus the reasoning for providing satellite as well. At least people in remote area will still be able to a good quality picture even if its not Hi-Def.

I just don't understand why they are doing hi def over UHF when not everyone will be able to get it. My own UHF reception is poor, and I am in a suburb of wellington. I would have though satellite would have been the best solution as freeview was setup for the following according to wikipedia

Freeview was designed to overcome the poor reception caused by New Zealand's rugged topography, and to provide New Zealanders higher-quality digital TV and radio. The service will also provide a choice of more free channels, high resolution video and improved sound quality, and interactive content
robbyp (2751)
602625 2007-10-19 01:25:00 Apparently WinTV-HVR 4000 will also support High Definition DVB-T channels (when available). Wikipedia shows that we are getting DVB-T at en.wikipedia.org(New_Zealand) robbyp (2751)
602626 2007-10-19 01:55:00 Apparently WinTV-HVR 4000 will also support High Definition DVB-T channels (when available). Wikipedia shows that we are getting DVB-T at en.wikipedia.org(New_Zealand)
DVB-T is UHF ;)
Pete O'Neil (6584)
602627 2007-10-19 02:07:00 DVB-T is UHF ;)

OK, I didn't see that the 3000 also supported DVB-T as I first thought it only supported DVB-T FM radio.
Is there any other difference between 3000 and 4000 apart from it supporting DVB-S, eg. does the 4000 include better software. It is quite difficult to compare the 2 on their website at www.hauppauge.co.uk
robbyp (2751)
602628 2007-10-19 03:21:00 Only 5 left, I just bought one :) noname (12875)
602629 2007-10-19 03:46:00 I'm trying to get mine going on linux with Myth(buntu)... it knows the card's there but can't use it... looks like another steep learning curve for linux :(

Things ar ea little shakey with the media pc so far, something seems to be interferring with my cordless usb mouse but PF1 looks mighty fine on the new lcd TV :)
Shortcircuit (1666)
602630 2007-10-25 01:37:00 OK I got it, and managed to get the free to air TV stations running, but how do you set it to recieve the freview stations if you only have an arial? noname (12875)
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