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Thread ID: 84300	2007-10-31 18:36:00	IDE issues!	Damz (10942)	Press F1

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607085	2007-11-01 19:31:00	People have to start somewhere Yes they do. They either practise on their own PCs or get some work experience with someone. Not practise on other peoples hardware.	pctek (84)
607086	2007-11-02 01:03:00	Yes they do. They either practise on their own PCs or get some work experience with someone. Not practise on other peoples hardware. Wow, your still going on, and on? I did practise on my own one. I built it, with some help from the folks here, and a few tutorials I found online. So who's to say I cant build 2 more successfully? Every journey has its bumps, just a pity your there to point and laugh. Get a life..	Damz (10942)
607087	2007-11-02 01:57:00	If you didn't check this out before ordering the parts what the hell makes you think you should be building PCs? Its basic stuff. And if you have no idea whether or not onboard versus separate graphics matters then even worse. It all depends on what these poor suckers that hired you want to do with the PC. You're being way too harsh. Damz is keen to learn about building PCs and that's great. Skill comes with practice, and Damz is probably like most people and unable to afford to build themselves a new PC every week just to learn. How many computers had you built purely for yourself when you built the first one for someone else (I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here :D)?	george12 (7)
607088	2007-11-02 06:36:00	How many computers had you built purely for yourself when you built the first one for someone else (I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here :D)? I will just say I built myself one and then I built someone else one :p so yes, you did shoot yourself here :p But yes, everyone must start somewhere, but I would suggest with old PCs first, pulling them apart and rebuilding them, getting them going etc before moving onto new stuff :2cents:	The_End_Of_Reality (334)
607089	2007-11-02 08:28:00	You're being way too harsh. Skill comes with practice. How many computers had you built purely for yourself when you built the first one for someone else Maybe I am. But I've seen too many screwups by "helpful friend of neighbours cousins brother in law". I messed about with my own various PCs for ages before I built one for someone else. And I went and worked for various places getting more experience too before going it alone. And it isn't that hard to check out a MB before ordering bits to attach to it. The MB is farly importnat and I always look at its specs first. Which is how I noticed a lot of the newer intel based ones don't have a PS2 mouse port on them anymore.	pctek (84)
607090	2007-11-02 10:43:00	I will just say I built myself one and then I built someone else one :p so yes, you did shoot yourself here :p No, that's the answer I was expecting and hoping for. Shooting myself in the foot would be pctek saying that she has built 20 computers for herself before dreaming of handling other people's gear, which wouldn't have surprised me too much :p. But yes, everyone must start somewhere, but I would suggest with old PCs first, pulling them apart and rebuilding them, getting them going etc before moving onto new stuff :2cents: I think Damz is just very keen to get into it all, and especially as I myself started selling computers as a business (and making a few mistakes along the way) when I was 14, I'm all for that. People could have told me that I "might make a mistake" and shouldn't be handling other people's money and computers with my experience level, but nobody did, because they know that if that happened I'd be the one bearing the cost. Of course, I make sure that whenever I make a mistake (doesn't happen too much now) it's at my expense, not a customer's, and I'm sure that Damz will do the same with his/her (which is it Damz?) friend's new PC if something goes wrong. And so, no real harm can be done. Maybe I am. But I've seen too many screwups by "helpful friend of neighbours cousins brother in law". I messed about with my own various PCs for ages before I built one for someone else. And I went and worked for various places getting more experience too before going it alone. And it isn't that hard to check out a MB before ordering bits to attach to it. The MB is farly importnat and I always look at its specs first. Which is how I noticed a lot of the newer intel based ones don't have a PS2 mouse port on them anymore. But as I said, the helpful friend shouldn't be told off for trying to learn how to build PCs. In the hypothetical situation that they stuff up and come to you for help, they learn something, you make some money, and no harm is done. It's not obvious to everybody that modern motherboards don't usually have two IDE ports. For the last 10+ years they have always had two. The best way to learn is through experience IMO.	george12 (7)
607091	2007-11-02 19:08:00	Thank you george, nice to see that not everyone thinks Im crazy! And for the record, if I did make a mistake that damaged a component, of course it would be at my expense!! Not that Iv discussed that with people Im making them for, it just goes without saying. And as far as I can see, Im doing it right anyway! Asking for help for this particular issue from some very knowlegable people on this forum. As opposed to just hooking up the HDD and DVD drive on the one cable and "seeing what happens!" Oh, and, Damz = Damian = He!! :nerd:	Damz (10942)
607092	2007-11-03 20:29:00	It's good to see someone trying hard to learn as I am myself, and it's not always easy to find someone to employ a beginner, I have done a Diploma that incorporated building computers and I can't get a job here in Nelson with any of the companies so am just doing the occasional build and upgrade for friends. And yes I have made mistakes too and paid for them, don't be put off Damz.	gary67 (56)
607093	2007-11-03 20:44:00	I agree with PCTek i don't think you should be building computer for other people Damz if your making such basic mistakes, IDE hasn't exactly been interface of choice for a long time now. Motherboards have only been coming with one IDE port for a long time its nothing new, any decent PC assembler would be aware of this. If you haven't got the skills then you should get out of the game. Return the DVD-RW as well and get a sata one, minimal price difference and it far more future proof.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
607094	2007-11-03 22:09:00	it's not always easy to find someone to employ a beginner, I have done a Diploma that incorporated building computers and I can't get a job here in Nelson Try asking for unpaid work experience first. Doesn't have to be full time. Its all good for your CV.	pctek (84)
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