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Thread ID: 141879	2016-03-14 23:45:00	Chickens Coming Home To Roost	Terry Porritt (14)	PC World Chat

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1417524	2016-03-14 23:45:00	"Warnings about substandard building products coming into the country have triggered a major industry inquiry." www.radionz.co.nz "The federation has received many expressions of concern about the questionable quality of a range of new products and materials entering the country," he said. "That's especially so in the areas of plumbing, electrical products, exterior claddings, roofing, glass and power tools." Once upon a time we had an organisation called DSIR and part of our job was to ensure that NZ made products conformed to the appropriate NZ/AS standards. With deregulation and the closure of so many local manufacturers, that all went out of the window and in the free market it was buyer beware, so your average Joe Soap was expected to be able to tell whether a product was satisfactory and fit for purpose by just looking at it hopefully. .................like the mild steel bolts marked as high tensile all the wholesalers brought in from China after Ajax closed down... hence the collapse of the Hawkins Hill radar mast held together with mild steel bolts..........so on and so on........ Then we have Nick Smith saying: In a separate interview today, Dr Smith told Morning Report plumbers were responsible for deciding whether the products they installed met New Zealand standards. "Every single piece of plumbing work has been certified by a plumber, and if that work is found - two, three or five years hence - to be substandard, that plumber is in the gun and potentially has his registration up for loss if he has not met those Building Code requirements." The public should be wary of claims about substandard foreign products, because it could just be local companies trying to reduce competition from overseas, he said. What a load of bollocks, putting it politely. Unfortunately it is this sort of thinking by successive governments that leads to these sort of problems........let the market sort it out, self checking of work and products, and devil take the hindmost.........and the innocent consumer suffers.	Terry Porritt (14)
1417525	2016-03-15 00:55:00	Cheap chinese ****. Customers frequently buy their own -mixer taps for example and ask the plumber to install them. Husband used to comment about certain products, but if the customer insists, well.....	pctek (84)
1417526	2016-03-15 01:38:00	Nick Smith? All over it with his huge floppy clown feet, is he? Why anyone listens to the muppet, is frankly incomprehensible.	KarameaDave (15222)
1417527	2016-03-15 02:37:00	If punters were actually willing to pay the extra cost for quality NZ made products ...... I'll bet its a race to the lowest possible quote , outcome is obvious .	1101 (13337)
1417528	2016-03-15 05:38:00	"Warnings about substandard building products coming into the country have triggered a major industry inquiry." www.radionz.co.nz "The federation has received many expressions of concern about the questionable quality of a range of new products and materials entering the country," he said. "That's especially so in the areas of plumbing, electrical products, exterior claddings, roofing, glass and power tools." Once upon a time we had an organisation called DSIR and part of our job was to ensure that NZ made products conformed to the appropriate NZ/AS standards. With deregulation and the closure of so many local manufacturers, that all went out of the window and in the free market it was buyer beware, so your average Joe Soap was expected to be able to tell whether a product was satisfactory and fit for purpose by just looking at it hopefully. .................like the mild steel bolts marked as high tensile all the wholesalers brought in from China after Ajax closed down... hence the collapse of the Hawkins Hill radar mast held together with mild steel bolts..........so on and so on........ Then we have Nick Smith saying: In a separate interview today, Dr Smith told Morning Report plumbers were responsible for deciding whether the products they installed met New Zealand standards. "Every single piece of plumbing work has been certified by a plumber, and if that work is found - two, three or five years hence - to be substandard, that plumber is in the gun and potentially has his registration up for loss if he has not met those Building Code requirements." The public should be wary of claims about substandard foreign products, because it could just be local companies trying to reduce competition from overseas, he said. What a load of bollocks, putting it politely. Unfortunately it is this sort of thinking by successive governments that leads to these sort of problems........let the market sort it out, self checking of work and products, and devil take the hindmost.........and the innocent consumer suffers. Makes me glad to not be a builder any-more, muppets like the current government have no clues. Did you know and this is fact you get a fine of twice the size for not discussing your companies H&S policy with your staff than if you kill one of your staff on your building site through bad practice?	gary67 (56)
1417529	2016-03-16 23:32:00	Yet more sloppy QA management: . radionz . co . nz/news/national/299144/questions-over-quake-mesh-certification" target="_blank">www . radionz . co . nz "One of the country's biggest steel manufacturers has been selling critical earthquake-reinforcing mesh wrongly certified as having been tested by a top laboratory . " I think that RNZ statement is a wee bit strong if you look at the certificate, but what the situation does show is that QA auditing (if any) failed to pick up the problem with the certificates over several years . It shows a failure of internal QA management to adequately audit itself . It raises questions of possible other failures, such as whether their test equipment is routinely checked and calibrated . . . . and so on .	Terry Porritt (14)
1417530	2016-03-17 22:47:00	The saga continues: Steel and Tube's test results for critical quake-strengthening steel mesh cannot be trusted, a top laboratory says www.radionz.co.nz	Terry Porritt (14)
1417531	2016-03-18 01:21:00	The lab was not IANZ ( I ran a packaging lab, and my staff were all approved certified testers, auditors, etc. Plus were were IANZ accredited as a approved supplier/provider" target="_blank">www.ianz.govt.nz/) accredited, and perhaps they should have been, and lab staff should also be registered or certified as well. I ran a packaging lab, and my staff were all approved certified testers, auditors, etc. Plus were were IANZ accredited as a approved supplier of QA systems and documentation. But it is very costly, and involves up to a week of being intensly assesed. IANZ will always find something amiss- always - in over 20 years of me working with them. In my experience, it depends who your customers are (e.g. public vs private, global, ) and what value they are to your company. We were made to be IANZ approved since we dealt with NZ major public exporters. The NZ Dairy Board, wanted us to be accredited. as did the Kiwfruit Marketing Board, Affco, etc. All our testing and reports was triple checked for them - including a phd science manager, before being rubber stamped, etc, but if a lower value/smaller customer, no where near as much as effort.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1417532	2016-03-21 21:55:00	Soon the roost wont be big enough for all the chickens coming home "NZ the 'wild west' of steel testing" " trickle of complaints about overseas steel manufacturers faking strength certificates, sometimes blatantly, is turning into a flood." www.msn.com There were warnings 3 years ago but MBIE didn't do anything, maybe it isn't anyone's responsibility in NZ to do anything about fake imports. Hands off....buyer beware...........wait for the catastrophe before doing anything ? "Engineers flag concern over imported steel" www.stuff.co.nz May 2013. Well, there were warnings about fake imports over 30 years ago...........Bogap CNG cylinders springs to mind, but nothing happened until one exploded.	Terry Porritt (14)
1417533	2016-03-23 05:21:00	On top of that, there are complaints about of cost of materials putting up building prices, always puzzled me as to why cost of building in OZ is at least 30% less than here. When they do have a standard as in leaky roof, it's like getting blood out of a stone sorting.	Cicero (40)
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