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Thread ID: 85529	2007-12-13 07:46:00	Good reliable motherboards	Myth (110)	Press F1

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620910	2007-12-13 12:56:00	Yep, so I guess it's a rather pointless discussion :p	george12 (7)
620911	2007-12-13 17:33:00	This is the current plan (forums.pcworld.co.nz) And yeah, chipsets was going to be my next question.. in regards to AMD boards, which one's should I avoid, and which ones are quite good?	Myth (110)
620912	2007-12-13 19:01:00	I am wondering what brands of motherboard are considered to be good, reliable and not off-the-planet expensive I know that some in here say that MSI is absolute crap, yet I have one in this P4 system that is 4 years old (and is only now beginning to cause issues if I plug in more than one RAM module). Maybe I got lucky? Looking to possible replcement/upgrade Don't take too much notice of comments and reccomendations in this forum.Half of them seem to come from people who have never even seen what they are criticising. If MSI is rubbish, how come they are just about number 1 in Australia? One of them even got "editors choice" in an Oz mag. In another post someone said Intel M/B's are no good, but the chipset is. What a load of crap. And "leaking capacators". How many contributors have ever even seen one? If the truth be known there is no such thing on the market as a "bad" m/b. They all work. Some have more frills, mostly unneeded on a home computer, than others. I stick with Asus m/b's out of habit. I think Gigabyte are rubbish, because I stuffed one up once. And that makes as much sense as half of the comments and reccomendations I have been reading lately.	JJJJJ (528)
620913	2007-12-13 19:40:00	I agree with Jack :eek: The company I used to work for sold PCs that used MSI mainboards and only MSI mainboards. Over the 10 years I was there we never had any trouble with them except for the leaking capacitor problem but that affected most motherboard brands. We did get faulty ones from time to time but for the numbers that we sold that was to be expected. While I was there I tried other brands of boards like ECS, Foxconn, Gigabyte, Intel & Albatron. They were all good except maybe Foxconn, of which we had quite a few failures. Since leaving that company I have now changed to Asus motherboards and have not had a single problem in the 12 months I have been using them -touch wood.	CYaBro (73)
620914	2007-12-13 20:32:00	In another post someone said Intel M/B's are no good, but the chipset is. What a load of crap.Did you read George's post? What he actually stated was his preference. Last time I checked, "personally I don't really like" does not mean the same thing as "no good". Don't take too much notice of comments and reccomendations in this forum.Half of them seem to come from people who have never even seen what they are criticising.Yes, most contributors are speaking from personal experience, but remember that a lot of people on this forum either go through a lot of boards in their personal gear, or see a large number in their place of work - often a high enough number to get some decent stats from. Even those who don't have experience with bulk numbers of boards have something valuable to contribute - the aggregate stats you can get out of this thread should make for some interesting reading. ...One of them even got "editors choice" in an Oz mag. 'Editors Choice' in a mag means more or less nothing these days unless you say which mag - far too many of them will say just about anything to make their advertisers happy. If the truth be known there is no such thing on the market as a "bad" m/b.Rubbish. If a particular model had a 5% short-term failure rate, I would consider it 'bad'. If it had a serious design flaw, I would also consider it bad. If the components used are inferior enough to cause a large number to fail after only a few years, that's 'bad' too. If MSI is rubbish, how come they are just about number 1 in Australia?How are you measuring that statistic? If you're judging by sales, that means nothing - large retailers will sell which ever crap gets them the biggest profit. A far more reliable stat is user satisfaction after a few years of having to live with it. MSI has the rep they do for a reason - large numbers of people have experienced a serious problem with their MSI board.	Erayd (23)
620915	2007-12-13 21:00:00	I agree with Jack :eek: The company I used to work for sold PCs that used MSI mainboards and only MSI mainboards. Over the 10 years I was there we never had any trouble with them except for the leaking capacitor problem but that affected most motherboard brands. While I was there I tried other brands of boards like ECS, Foxconn, Gigabyte, Intel & Albatron. They were all good except maybe Foxconn, of which we had quite a few failures. In 12 years of working for various places and working for myself I noted (officially at some places) what stuff came back, how often, from who etc etc. What I found was crap: Low end MSI Foxconn (and the supplier admitted it too) Chaintech ECS!! - the winner Number of faulty ASUS boards in that entire time: 3 Low end, high end....3 in total. I'd go with gigabyte too, only ever had issues with a couple. Its still how I make my decisions, I see what comes in with problems often. Those brands of component, whether its boards, RAM or drives....	pctek (84)
620916	2007-12-13 22:09:00	And "leaking capacators". How many contributors have ever even seen one? you need to get out more. Ive 2 in the last month (plus a vid card with leaking caps in the last month) Leaky caps PROBABLY arnt going to be an issue with new boards (but you never know) (I said leaky caps sullied the rep of otherwise good brands.) In the past Ive had new m/b's with major/issues bugs that were sold in the NZ market regardless (the distributor even reluctantly admitted these issues) Not that common, but does happen (as with anything electronic) -------- Are ECS & MSI & PCTech part of the same company ??????	steveroby (9470)
620917	2007-12-13 22:17:00	ECS and PCChips are the same, MSI has nothing to do with them. (not sure about PCTech, never heard of it) Good to see the popular brands are going with solid caps now, gigabyte seems to have taken the lead, and Asus and MSI are following suit. No doubt there are other manufacturers using them also, but I'm sure ECS aren't (and If they did, they would probably still find a way to make them rubbish)	Agent_24 (57)
620918	2007-12-13 22:24:00	The new Universal Abit boards are very good, Abit are slowly returning to the quality and performance they use to be renound for.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
620919	2007-12-13 22:41:00	If MSI is rubbish, how come they are just about number 1 in Australia? One of them even got "editors choice" in an Oz mag. And "leaking capacators". How many contributors have ever even seen one? Jack, you probably never keep any Motherboards long enough for the capacitors to start leaking. Magazine recommendations are based on review samples of brand new products that haven't had enough time on the market for any problems to surface. You have to go to the brand specific forums a few months later to find what the real story is.	PaulD (232)
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