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Thread ID: 141900	2016-03-18 05:25:00	Windows XP Home	ruup (1827)	PC World Chat

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1417771	2016-03-20 05:00:00	That's not the fault of Microsoft. Did Microsoft make the Audio Capture devices ?? My money would say NO. So why not have a go at the manufactures of the devices for not making drivers to keep up with the latest Operating system ? Just use XP then and be happy. Last time I heard it doesn't cost you a cent to activate or register a previous copy of XP with the exception of maybe a phone call. in NZ its Free. I get free phone calls in any place with an American flag - Puerto Rico, The Philippians, Hawaii, parts of Mexico (no flag, but maybe soon). and Alaska. So --- yeah free to M$. But I still disagree with your logic there. Obviously ---- M$ did not make the devices, but they allowed the manufacturers to use their (M$'s) OS to run in. Then M$ changes everything and does not allow anyone to run in a virtual older system, AS M$ HAD DONE IN THE PAST. One was offered options to run it as an older OPSYS, and it would run just fine. But not any more. M$ won't let one run as an older system. That options USED to be in the PROPERTIES tab, but not any more. They USED to do it, then now they DON'T do it any more. I say 'in for a penny --- in for a dollar' and that if you've got skin in the game and then the game changes, that's not fair.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1417772	2016-03-20 05:27:00	I get free phone calls in any place with an American flag - Puerto Rico, The Philippians, Hawaii, parts of Mexico (no flag, but maybe soon) . and Alaska . So --- yeah free to M$ . But I still disagree with your logic there . Obviously ---- M$ did not make the devices, but they allowed the manufacturers to use their (M$'s) OS to run in . Then M$ changes everything and does not allow anyone to run in a virtual older system, AS M$ HAD DONE IN THE PAST . One was offered options to run it as an older OPSYS, and it would run just fine . But not any more . M$ won't let one run as an older system . That options USED to be in the PROPERTIES tab, but not any more . They USED to do it, then now they DON'T do it any more . I say 'in for a penny --- in for a dollar' and that if you've got skin in the game and then the game changes, that's not fair . Bit hard without your actual devices to try - But I have several customers who have very old work devices . They are worth Thousands, far more than your audio devices, yet run perfectly fine in Windows 7 and 10, ALL running in compatibility mode . Most versions of windows have had compatibility mode going back to win95, so why wont your decices run in W7 ( or any newer OS) . To prove it, heres the options . 7038 I got a Free program on this PC, W10 runs perfectly fine in Compatibility mode, wont run normally in W10 as it was discontinued with W7 . The newer version want $$ But hey why ? the free one works fine . :)	wainuitech (129)
1417773	2016-03-20 05:52:00	Just a thought SJ - Can you post a link to the drivers required for the audio devices you are mentioning.	wainuitech (129)
1417774	2016-03-20 05:54:00	There are CAD systems here in town that used to run NT or 3.1, and although they don't understand the ramifications of using such antique systems, they have to stay with those older M$ versions b/o running the need to run DOS. The CAD machines cannot move up - either b/o operator inadequacy or the CAD will not accept even 98E. But their problem is that they never backed up the software - anywhere - and that's the problem. Losing a HD with 3.1 AND the software doesn't register with them. They think they can go out and buy a HDD with 3.1 and all will be well. They have no concept of software not being part of and in the 3.1 HDD. That's not quite my problem. I've got the same computer. I've got the same mouse. I've got the same hard drives and monitors. I've even got the same 'puter desk. I've got the same expansion cards inside the tower - but they are blackballed by M$. That's still wrong. I've done nothing to void my sound cards. M$ has. BTW: Puppy not only recognizes, but offers me options to activate any/some/all of the sound cards as I see fit without a reboot. Take THAT M$ !!!!	SurferJoe46 (51)
1417775	2016-03-20 05:58:00	Just a thought SJ - Can you post a link to the drivers required for the audio devices you are mentioning. Soundblasters? They are everywhere. But NOT for 7, 8 or 10. As I just said --- Puppy found them and activated them all during the installation of that distro. Windows10 ignored them. I'm running two at 5.1, and one at 9.1+SW	SurferJoe46 (51)
1417776	2016-03-20 06:05:00	It's 2 AM here, Sunday morning and I'm dead to the world . Let me get some sleep and I'll be back to harass youse guys tomorrow again . I appreciate all of you, dearly . You're all special friends ---- hanging by their prehensile tails ----- to a world that defies gravity somehow . Hang on, youse guys!!!!	SurferJoe46 (51)
1417777	2016-03-20 06:48:00	The post below turned into more of a Rant than intended, sorry about that. It's just opinion and not meant to be taken too seriously. If you let us know the specific hardware you are using some bright spark might actually have some useful advice. Linux is very different from windows. If older hardware works in Linux it is because someone kindly wrote drivers for it, for free. Sometimes it's the manufacturer, sometimes someone involved in creating the distro, and sometimes just some talented individual who had the same hardware and needed a driver for it. That's the nature of open source software, it's not a product for sale that a company relies on for revenue. There are pro's and cons to the approach. I think a lot of Linux users moved to it because it's more modern feeling than XP and supports a lot more legacy hardware than 7/8/10. I know someone who almost exclusively uses old hardware and linux for that reason coupled with the price difference. The trouble with backwards compatibility is it's a double edged sword. Keeping legacy code and drivers in newer versions of an operating system adds to the bloat, introduces more sources for bugs, and generally slows down progress. Yes it's great if the new OS still works with all your old hardware, but at some point it becomes necessary to ditch a lot of legacy stuff in order to make a more modern streamlined OS. MS has a lot of good reasons for updating their driver model and they certainly haven't blackballed any hardware. They've changed how their OS works and that means old drivers are no longer compatible. They are not going to research every possible piece of old hardware someone might use and write a driver for it when it's not even their product. They are not preventing you from using the older operating system that works so why should they bother and they are also not preventing someone else from writing a driver. Agree with it or not MS have no reason to offer legacy support for other companies products. Those companies are free to write new drivers or not as they see fit, more than likely though they'd prefer you replace the hardware. To put things in perspective a little bit, XP was replaced with windows 7 under wide release in late 2009, that's more than 6 years ago. XP itself was widely released in 2001, that's 15 years ago. Extended support for XP ended in april 2014, find me another OS in common usage that was supported for 13 years. I don't think putting much 15 year old code in a modern OS is desirable at all. Just use XP or linux and leave it at that.	dugimodo (138)
1417778	2016-03-20 19:15:00	Soundblasters? They are everywhere. But NOT for 7, 8 or 10. Windows10 ignored them. I'm running two at 5.1, and one at 9.1+SW Windows may ignore them, but Microsoft cant be expected to supply drivers for everything.You need to go to the manufactures site. Did a quick google search within a few seconds found drivers for 7,8,8.1 and 10. Links below: Windows 7,8,8.1 drivers (support.creative.com) and Windows 10 Drivers (support.creative.com) Theres quite a list of different devices. As it mentions on Creatives site: Creative products not listed here are classified as discontinued products which will not have additional software updates within our software development plan. As mentioned earlier -- Its Creative, The manufacture that's discontinued support not Microsoft. :) Linux is different as many people develop drivers for different devices that are not normally now available from the manufactures .	wainuitech (129)
1417779	2016-03-20 20:33:00	Windows may ignore them, but Microsoft cant be expected to supply drivers for everything . You need to go to the manufactures site . Go to the hardware manufacturers & ask, where are the drivers & software for Win7, Win10 It the manufacturers who abandoned your hardware, nothing to do with MS . MS/Win only include some drivers, manufacturers are expected to update other drivers . Its not uncommon, manufacturers dont allways want to spend money on new driver support for hardware they now longer sell . Same with some printers, scanners, game controllers etc etc .	1101 (13337)
1417780	2016-03-21 07:06:00	I have an original of it. Windows Home Edition disc with key. Version is 2002 and has Service pack 2 on it. I'm very happy to post it to you if you want. PM me with your address. Cheers, LL Thank you for your kind offer,but I will not need the disc....I have shelved the project.	ruup (1827)
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