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Thread ID: 141933	2016-03-27 05:12:00	I See Living People......	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1418303	2016-03-28 05:43:00	Awwwwww Cic! Ya loves me! I'm sorry I missed your post when it came in - I wuz watching those YouTube Russian Dash Cameras - www.youtube.com	SurferJoe46 (51)
1418304	2016-03-28 07:56:00	OK --- I'm back now - belly's full, pants are dry and the fire's blazing nicely . . . . . . . . to continue . . . . Montana, as I said - requires a birth certificate to get a driver's license . This is the only state I know that demands this document - one which I have never had . To be fair, the birth certificate may be a national requirement since 9-11, so I'll concede that they might have a good reason . All my other licenses were before 9-11 . However ----> I cannot prove that I am a US citizen or not . But that didn't keep me out of the US Navy --- nor from getting a California or Arizona driver's license . I truthfully was born on a secret US Navy base in Connecticut (USA) my mom told me --- and they didn't issue a birth certificate at all . The US Navy couldn't get one when I joined up - but they didn't care 'cause a warm body is valuable no matter if I was a US citizen or not . One wouldda thunk that a federal agency like the Navy could get another federal agency to find a record of my birth - but they couldn't . Fast forward to me retiring and Social Security tossed a small hissy until I wrote an affidavit to the statement I made --- that I really was born in the US but it was on a secret Navy Base in Connecticut . They gave me my Social Security alright . Montana - on the other hand has not ---- and will not ---- give me a license until I can produce proof of citizenship . Therein lies the hitch! I called the City Of New London, CT . , Bureau of Records and they told me that ALL Naval births are recorded in Groton, CT . , and gave me that phone number . I called Groton Bureau of Vital Records ad they said my birth was not recorded in their files and that I should call the city where I was born - in this case New London --------again . Expecting another run-around,- a guy answered the phone this time and asked me to let him have an hour to check on another record field, across the street in the basement library at an old church . He called me in 45 minutes and said he had my birth certificate and to send him $8 . 00 and he'd make a certified copy for himself and send me the original . Wow! I was so stoked! I could finally prove I was born! Well - now I've got the birth certificate and next week I'm gonna go get my Montana driver's license . It'll be free 'cause I'm over 65 and a US Veteran . Then I'm getting my first Montana fishing license . . . . which again is free 'cause of my US Naval service and Agent Orange exposure . Imagine that --- I got a birth certificate and a driver's license pending --- and a free fishing license too . I could also apply for a (free to me) hunting license, but I don't hunt . All that for one stupid piece of paper which I always totally believed never existed --- because it was a non-birth certificate from a secret vaporous navy base --- and that the SS --- and the US Navy could/did never find - and Social Security didn't find either . . . . . because it WAS ACROSS THE STREET IN THE BASEMENT OF AN OLD CHURCH! Fer cryin' out loud! Montana wouldn't accept my DD243 - that is my US Naval discharge papers indicating my name, records of merit and awards and all that - hah! but not good enough! ("Anybody can join the US armed forces and get discharge papers" said Montana) My grammar school graduation wasn't good enough ("Even illegal aliens can go to school" - Montana again) My High School graduation certificate and even my photo in the Class of 1964 yearbook weren't good enough ("Anyone can go to high school and get their picture into the school yearbook" - Montana) . My Junior College records were no good either ("Anybody can go to a junior college" Montana) . My matriculation in University of California, Irvine Campus didn't count either (Montana again) . My Social Security account and check stubs weren't good enough ("Anybody can pay into SS and get money back" said Montana) . Now, as a payback - I'm gonna eat every trout that I can catch . That'll show 'em! PS: If anyone finds themselves in another country (or in my case, STATE) other than their originating license provider - they are legally entitled to drive on their expired license as long as they haven't been back to their licensing authority (US law) . IOW, if you get caught short in China with an outdated NZ, US, Canadian, French, Venetian certificate - it is considered legal to use until you return to the place that issued it . I imagine that there's a statute of limitations though . Your results may vary according to the whim of your licensing authority . The US affords this condition as a citizen's right of passage, unless that same citizen take residence in a new country or state . Since I still own property in Arizona, I was capable of calling Arizona MVD and having them send me an extension - good for up to a year - on my Arizona license . But I wanted this done and gone away for reasons of personal grief and concern of driving a Montana registered vehicle with an Arizona driver's license . Perfectly legal - but not cricket, if you catch my drift . I can honestly say now that; here it comes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I WUZ BORN'D! :banana I could not get a birth certificate from BDM NZ, to obtain a new drivers licenc(s)e, after misplacing it . They had no record of me (my current name) . Because I have had a couple of surnames, I had to ask my mother and siblings to get their maiden names . Then BDM found it . I never really knew my birth name . I recall one guy I worked with tried to find his birth certifate, got a fright to find his mother was a pacific islander, not a generational New Zealander . So I think for better birth cert research traction, relevant info might be gleaned from your birth parents, and their siblings . I assume you/parent would have military discharge papers that should have helped? Odd that your birth record were in old (baptist?) church - usually they only archive early birth records for genalogy research . But then the US Navy has a long history (300 years?) like their former enemy the UK navy .	kahawai chaser (3545)
1418305	2016-03-28 14:53:00	What I found incredulous was that since I was born on a secret US naval base, then why couldn't the US Navy, when I recruited in 1968, find those records? It's like my sister's birth in USNavSta/Guantanamo, where she has both a Spanish and US citizenship . As far as mother's and father's parents/siblings . . . . well, they were Irish/Welsh and German/Dutch, so conversations with them, if any were still alive that is, would be pained at least . Remember that these people were of that generation that went through The Great War, WW-2, The Great Depression and possibly the Great Irish Potato Famine . The Dutch side were all conscripted by Joe Kennedy as enslaved and indentured slaves just to get passage to the US . So, no, Familial Histories . . . . even if they existed today . . . . would be rife with olde wyves tales, superstition and lies . As a child . . . and even to today . . . I still have no idea how old my parents were . That was just never talked about . I am at a loss as to what purpose it served to keep that information a secret . . . . . unless, of course they were all in fear of some Irish/English/Nazi/Lutheran Mafia related retaliation and we're hiding in the US Federal Witness Protection Program . Unfortunately, all my parents and their parents and siblings (my uncles and aunts) are at room temperature . I've known that for what feels like a hundred years, but every once in a while I find myself picking up the phone and trying to remember my mother's phone number to call her . She's been gone since 1991 . My dad died 6 years ago and my sister might as well be dead since the last conversation I had with her ten years ago, was with her casting curses on me and then she left on her broom . So much for words from home . . . . . how're youse guys? Seeing any penguins yet(?) . . . a sure sign of Fall . Neener, neener . . . we're gonna have summer soon!	SurferJoe46 (51)
1418306	2016-03-28 17:40:00	Still above 22C here in Nelson no penguins here	gary67 (56)
1418307	2016-03-28 18:52:00	What I found incredulous was that since I was born on a secret US naval base, then why couldn't the US Navy, when I recruited in 1968, find those records? 1)It was secret 2)You weren't navy staff, just a new addition to a family	pctek (84)
1418308	2016-03-28 18:53:00	What's with people using incredulous when they mean incredible?	KarameaDave (15222)
1418309	2016-03-28 19:25:00	Huh? incredulous in·cred·u·lous inˈkrejələs/ adjective adjective: incredulous (of a person or their manner) unwilling or unable to believe something. "an incredulous gasp" synonyms: disbelieving, skeptical, unbelieving, distrustful, mistrustful, suspicious, doubtful, dubious, unconvinced; cynical "we were incredulous when the congressman was not more forthcoming in his first broadcast interview about the case" Origin late 16th century: from Latin incredulus (from in- ‘not’ + credulus ‘believing, trusting,’ from credere ‘believe’) + -ous. incredible in'kred-uh-bul/ adjective adjective: incredible (of a condition, usually famished) unable to eat or consume, eg: food later requiring an emetic "The food was incredible", meaning the food could not be eaten for one reason or another. synonyms: disgusting, unpalatable, distasteful, spoiled, rotten, infested, malodorous, poisonous "the food was full of maggots and it was incredible" Origin Paleozoic: later obfuscated by Cockney/ (base in - "not" + cr- "slimy, snail footed" + edible - "in the negative consumptive/pejorative") :devil .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1418310	2016-03-28 19:47:00	Ignoring for the moment your rather strained joke confusing inedible and incredible. :p You can find something incredible, but you can't find it incredulous. However, you can be incredulous about something. You can also be incredible, if someone else finds you so.	KarameaDave (15222)
1418311	2016-03-28 21:05:00	I've given up correcting English and grammatical errors as it often ends up showing my own limited grasp and just annoys people. However we don't have "Fall" down here as we are already near the bottom of the planet and can't afford to go much further. Rather we have the more appropriately named "Autumn". It's been a warmer than usual summer, at least at night where it hasn't been cooling down much and with the high humidity sleeping has not been the easiest. So personally I'm looking forward to some cooler weather. Here in one of the other Hamilton's of the world it dropped to 8 degrees C this morning (46.4 in ye olde Farenheit) making it the coldest morning so far this year. I actually needed some warmer clothes on my Bicycle ride to work for the first time. Besides it's not like I live somewhere where it snows, even in mid winter a nice sunny day can get quite pleasantly warm for a couple of hours. Maybe it's something to do with some Scottish/Irish heritage but I don't mind winter. A nice cold crisp sunny winters day is something I rather enjoy at times. I once visited most of the south Island for a month for work during late June and experienced some of their frosty winter weather and I actually enjoyed it. Like having to use hot water to defrost the car door so we could get the key in the lock, Looking at a mountain covered in snow right down to sea level across the harbor, and seeing entire pine trees frosted solid with icicles hanging off the branches. Up here in the central north Island we have our frosts trained to restrict themselves to the grass, car windows, and the occasional roof on a really cold morning. Never would it be so bold as to climb a tree. It snowed a couple winters ago in Hamilton for about a minute, first time in 50 years. People were running outside to witness this strange occurrence. What we do get in abundance though is fog.	dugimodo (138)
1418312	2016-03-28 21:34:00	What's with people using incredulous when they mean incredible? Ask J for some lesson in saying that with 500 words, he is the master. Waffling verbosity, perhaps.	Cicero (40)
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