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315236	2005-01-19 20:54:00	economic status on the world stage? What economic status? We are are a tiny tiny spec on the bottom of the world, a couple of small islands that are barely populated, Living off the supply lines through Aussie. And if everyone chooses to leave, Doesn't that say something about the country? If our elected officials do such a great job that everybody leaves and is replaced by "skilled labour" then we got what we deserved.	Metla (12)
315237	2005-01-19 21:09:00	.... If our elected officials do such a great job that everybody leaves and is replaced by "skilled labour" then we got what we deserved. I'm really with you there Metla. Before all the reforms of 1984 onwards, NZ had lots of skilled labour, and highly skilled too. Just look at all the manufacturing that went on. We had schemes called apprenticeships, that became a dirty word, and since then this country has just lived off it's 'seed corn'.	Terry Porritt (14)
315238	2005-01-19 21:19:00	NZ needs immigration to grow - we have a huge shortage of skilled labour, there are still huge numbers of NZers going overseas, and in order for the country to sustain it's economic status on the world stage, we need the immigration from all around the world. Don't think anyone would argue with that at all BUT we can afford to be very selective, a lot more selective than we are now. We can easily afford to be fussy who we let live here, the queue is very long. The criteria seems to be more about how much cash you are bringing with you rather than what you can contribute to NZ. Bringing a bulging bank account to gain entry, then sending the money home again is very common. I personally know of several cases like this. So is all the free health, birth & dental care they recieve, which puts added pressure on those services & Kiwi kids are put on waiting lists This is one area I feel there should be a 5yr waiting period before immigrants can access our free health services. (except refugees of course) What is the use of letting Indian doctors settle here only to add to the countries ever growing taxi cab population because they can't practice here. As I said we can afford to be very fussy as we hold the keys to the door	bartsdadhomer (80)
315239	2005-01-19 23:22:00	Don't think anyone would argue with that at all BUT we can afford to be very selective, a lot more selective than we are now. We can easily afford to be fussy who we let live here, the queue is very long. The criteria seems to be more about how much cash you are bringing with you rather than what you can contribute to NZ. Bringing a bulging bank account to gain entry, then sending the money home again is very common. I personally know of several cases like this. So is all the free health, birth & dental care they recieve, which puts added pressure on those services & Kiwi kids are put on waiting lists This is one area I feel there should be a 5yr waiting period before immigrants can access our free health services. (except refugees of course) What is the use of letting Indian doctors settle here only to add to the countries ever growing taxi cab population because they can't practice here. As I said we can afford to be very fussy as we hold the keys to the door At this point in time there have been a lot of skilled immigrants, often with very high qualifications (doctors, scientists etc.) but nobody employs them because of their race. That's why we have a growing Indian taxi driver population, because instead of jumping on the welfare train, they go and get a job. We have a doctor shortage in many of the provinces, and NZ has the people to fill those positions, but until people's racial prejudices change, we'll continue to have more fish & chip shops, more dairies, more taxi drivers, instead of the people we really need.	somebody (208)
315240	2005-01-20 06:45:00	At this point in time there have been a lot of skilled immigrants, often with very high qualifications (doctors, scientists etc.) but nobody employs them because of their race. That's why we have a growing Indian taxi driver population, because instead of jumping on the welfare train, they go and get a job. We have a doctor shortage in many of the provinces, and NZ has the people to fill those positions, but until people's racial prejudices change, we'll continue to have more fish & chip shops, more dairies, more taxi drivers, instead of the people we really need. I don't know about all this racial prejudice business. One can't deny it exists, but don't blow it out of proportion. Just because a highly skilled person comes here and can't get a job, does not automatically mean they are being discriminated against. Alot has to do with the job market here. There simply aren't enough highly skilled jobs out there. When there are, there are a huge number of applicants. This could partly be why so many fresh graduates are forced to go overseas to get skilled work and years of experience, simply because there aren't the opportunities here. I dont know about now, but a while ago all you had to do to get into the country was pass a points test based on age, qualifications, work experience etc. Alot of people could come here with some capital in hand but without a job lined up. The result was alot of highly qualified people come here looking for a better quality of life, but being disheartened by the lack of career opportunities. Maybe what NZ really needs are alot more highly skilled job positions being created - but that doesn't happen overnight.	manicminer (4219)
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