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Thread ID: 53359	2005-01-15 05:49:00	Kiwi Drivers...	manicminer (4219)	PC World Chat

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314445	2005-12-28 18:37:00	The trip back from a wee family vacation 2 weeks ago was a nightmare. Driving down SH2 between Wairoa and Napier (and for those of you who know the road, it's quite windy, and at certain parts quite close to the edge of a cliff). Two cars behind us insisted on tailgating, despite the fact that we were driving as fast as the conditions allowed for safe driving (without accidentally going off the side of the cliff). Not only that, they seemed insistent on "saving fuel" but cutting corners, and hence spending 80% or so of their time on the wrong side of the road. We decided to pull over to get rid of them, because their stupidity would have probably caused us to be unwilling victims, acting as a barrier to an oncoming car swerving to avoid them. I'm very surprised they didn't kill anyone - not long after passing us they had several close calls when they had to quickly swerve back into the PROPER lane so they wouldn't hit an oncoming vehicle. So everybody here on PressF1, enjoy your holidays, drive safely, and don't put your life, or the lives of loved ones at risk.	somebody (208)
314446	2005-12-28 19:44:00	I live on a corner of a small dead end street and a busy road. The busy road gets a lot of peak traffic trying to make their way onto the motorway not far from it. There is a pedestrian crossing directly across this road that is used by a primary school. Every morning we sit on the deck and watch morons get impatient with the queue and therefore decide to drive on the wrong side of the road around the centre island of this crossing. Why? I don't know because they would just have to rejoin the queue once they are around it. Its quite fun to watch the unmarked cop (who we have on occasion called to come) come and park on the small street and chase after them. The other excitement we get is the local boys with their lowered to the ground unwarranted smoke exuding cars drag race each other up and down this dead end street. Which has one entrance to the primary school up the top. And the one coming back from the pub down the road who rather amazingly missed going through our fence as he hit our kerb destroying his front suspension and wheels. He managed to stop parallel to our fence. He told us he was doing 120km/h as he came round the corner. None of these people are asian.	pctek (84)
314447	2005-12-28 20:30:00	None of these people are asian. OH THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT! Besides They tend to drive for some strange reason Hondas.	bob_doe_nz (92)
314448	2005-12-28 23:09:00	Every morning we sit on the deck and watch morons get impatient with the queue and therefore decide to drive on the wrong side of the road around the centre island of this crossing. I thought Invercargill drivers were bad, but I've never seen anything quite that bad. I think we might actually manage to shake off our reputation for bad driving - with all the people from all round the country that SIT has attracted, most people on our roads actually know how to use their indicators now.	Greven (91)
314449	2005-12-29 00:52:00	I thought Invercargill drivers were bad, but I've never seen anything quite that bad . I think we might actually manage to shake off our reputation for bad driving - with all the people from all round the country that SIT has attracted, most people on our roads actually know how to use their indicators now . Haha, everyone knows Auckland has the worst drivers . . .	pctek (84)
314450	2005-12-29 04:08:00	Yes but that's only because there's a highger concentration of idiots in Auckland. Red light runners should lose licence, says Duynhoven 29.12.05 1.00pm People who run red lights and overtake on double yellow lines should lose their licence, Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven said today. His comments follow the holiday season's horror road toll; 11 people have been killed in crashes since 6pm on December 23, the same figure for the entire holiday period last year. Police predict another nine people could lose their lives before the festive season officially ends at 6am next Wednesday, January 4. Mr Duynhoven said it had been hoped the year's toll would stay under 400 but it was sitting at 398, with a couple of days to go. "We were very much hoping to have a road toll lower than 400 for the year because that's a psychological break point in a way," he said. "It will be the first time in generations we'll have got below 400 if we do but, sadly, it doesn't look like we're going to." Mr Duynhoven agreed with police that 95 per cent of New Zealanders were good drivers but 5 per cent were letting the side down. He believed that 5 per cent should be made to pay. "Certainly the things that I would like to see are those who, for instance, run red lights -- in my view, if you run a red light, you should be walking," he said. "Have at least a temporary licence suspension for running a red light. "I think people who overtake badly, or on yellow lines equally should be walking for a time. "I might be more hardline than most on these issues but I think the public, quite frankly, have had a gutsful of bad driving." However, people should not simply look to the Government to legislate because that was not the whole answer, Mr Duynhoven said. He urged everyone to take responsibility for the problem, saying the public should report anyone whose driving was a risk to others. Mr Duynhoven encouraged drivers to be patient and courteous, and said people towing caravans or horsefloats should pull over to let others pass. National MP Simon Power supported harsher penalties for bad drivers. However, any moves to address the road toll by increasing fines would have to be backed up. "If the road toll is going to come down, stricter penalties do need to be considered," he said. Meanwhile, police today named two of those killed on the roads this holiday season. Hugh Charles Nepe, 58, of Auckland, died in a collision between a camper van and car at Kotu, about 4km from Thames, on Tuesday. On Boxing Day, Kim Diana Kennedy, 47, of Diary Flat, died when her motorcycle and a car collided on State Highway 1 at Johnsons Hill, between Orewa and Waiwera. Police are yet to release the name of a 30-year-old man who died in a crash on Christmas night on State Highway 35, about 6km east of Te Kaha in the eastern Bay of Plenty. Also yet to be named is a middle-aged woman who was one of two people killed in a crash on Saturday morning on State Highway 1 in Northland, about 5km south of Kawakawa. Rotorua police expected to release today the name of a woman killed in yesterday's crash about 20km west of the town. The woman was a back seat passenger in a car carrying three people. A 26-year-old Auckland woman was flown to Rotorua Hospital with moderate injuries. Other deaths on the road this holiday period: * Campbell Edward Stewart, of Auckland, died when a 4WD rolled while driving along a firebreak near Tokoroa on Tuesday; * Oren James Reweti, 29, of Wainuiomata, died on State Highway 4, southwest of Te Kuiti about 7.30am on Tuesday. His three children and their mother were seriously hurt in the crash, which happened when they were 5-1/2 hours into a drive from Wellington to their holiday spot in the Bay of Islands. Initial reports said the car struck a tree. * Ricky James Wallace, 19, of Brightwater, about 20km southwest of Nelson, was killed when the van in which he was a passenger crossed the centre line at State Highway 60 at Mariri, near Motueka, and collided with a Honda Integra on Tuesday. * Richard Hohipa, a Wanganui resident, formerly of Levin, died on Christmas Day when the van in which he was a passenger lost control in Wanganui. * Lamon Omer Leaf, 86, of Helensville, was the second person killed in Christmas Eve crash on State Highway 1 in Northland, about 5km south of Kawakawa. * Kevin Joseph McAnally, 44, of Amberley, died after he became trapped in the burning wreckage of his car after it collided with a passenger train at a rail crossing near Sefton, about 6.30pm on Friday. The holiday period runs from 4pm Friday, December 23, to 6am on Wednesday, January 4.	manicminer (4219)
314451	2005-12-29 04:28:00	the qustion is how many of those accidents where just accidents and how many where advoidable ?	tweak'e (69)
314452	2005-12-30 00:55:00	the qustion is how many of those accidents where just accidents and how many where advoidable ? All traffic accidents are avoidable. Aren't they?	manicminer (4219)
314453	2005-12-30 02:29:00	All traffic accidents are avoidable. Aren't they? Accident is totally the wrong word to describe the majority of road crashes. It is human nature to use words which disassociate human responsibility from the consequences of human actions. EG, news reports say cars lose control of themselves and hit power poles, rather than the driver losing control of the car. "Accident" is an unforeseen event without apparent cause, or anything that occurs by chance or unintentionally. So, if a wheel axle broke, and the car went off the road or hit another one, that would be an "accident".	Terry Porritt (14)
314454	2005-12-30 04:21:00	terry you got it in a nut shell. one thing i hate is the cops don't always release info on WHY the crash happened. media also tends to advoid it. SCU tv show that was on is good, at least you see what mistakes people made etc and how you can avoid making the same mistakes. the other day i saw a car parked halfway through a fence way up on a bank way above the road and wondered "how the **** did it get way up there".	tweak'e (69)
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