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Thread ID: 53580	2005-01-21 08:39:00	OT: Nuisance cats	manicminer (4219)	PC World Chat

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316572	2005-05-12 13:32:00	[QUOTE=Terry Porritt]That is true. However in areas where there are no groundliving native birds, like the Wellington region, and Rimutaka Forest Park and the 'Orongorongos' in particular, feral cats are down the list somewhat. I loved the Orongorongo Valley years ago. I was about 16 at the time. Over the 5 mile track, down Jacobs Ladder to the river. Up the other side to Kiwi Hut. Walk from there up the river and climb Mt Mathews. We had phones in the Valley at that time like a party line. Prior to that it was over to Butterfly Creek. Earlier than that it was Island Bay to Cape Terawhiti about 14 miles and got fish. I just noticed a few days ago a cat perched handy to a rabbit burrow waiting for dinner I think.	Elephant (599)
316573	2005-05-12 13:48:00	IIRC Cats wiped out a whole species of bird Here (www.google.co.nz src=) So where are the Moas now? Notice Maori cloaks?	Elephant (599)
316574	2005-05-12 14:14:00	In my opinion it's the owners of these wretched animals who are to blame. They have a very selfish and ignorant attitude when it comes to keeping animals, with absolutely no regard for other people in the area whatsoever. Having known a few cat owners, I can almost always say that they are sickeningly obsessed with them and they will always stubbornly deny that their cats cause any trouble. What bothers me most is that so many people insist on having these animals, and nearly all of them let them wander freely around the neighbourhood without a care in the world. To me, that is not being a responsible owner. It's called lack of consideration and social responsibility. I've now taken to collecting up any cat faeces I find in my yard and discreetly depositing them on the owner's property. I take it that if YOUR Bird, Dog, Elephant, Snake, Tiger happends to wander on the property I own I am justified in poisioning, shooting or trapping the said animal? I also take it that you know and can prove the particular animal belongs to a particular person. If so then why not use your local laws to deal with the problem? If your local laws need changing then why not get them changed? Hint:- Get yourself elected!	Elephant (599)
316575	2005-05-12 14:41:00	Whoa dudes!!!! I'm not going to pretend for one moment that i'm a cat person, but @#$%$#@!!!!! Is the aim here to prevent cats from dumping in your space, or to vent ones frustration in life on the nearest available lifeform that's small enough not to be able to fight back? Personally i think all cats should be steralised and the whole problem will go away, but tolerance is essentual in life. My flatmate has a cat, therefore, effectivly so do i. Squeak and i learnt to get on. We had to. We don't have a seperate planet for each of us. :illogical O crap firefox doesn't have a spellchecker..... might have to go back to konqueror.... meanwhile you'll all just have to suffer bad spelling as well as cats! :eek:	personthingy (1670)
316576	2005-05-12 20:04:00	Cats will enjoy smellingbad stuff more than you will :) :) I can't see them liking Janola in water! :D	Strommer (42)
316577	2005-05-12 20:15:00	If you squirt the cat long enough you'll draw its bodyheat out & kill it. My brother inlaw in the UK many years ago had a elevated ornamental garden. He shot all the neighbours cats & threw them out in the rubbish. His garden looked good after that. You and your brother must be on the same wavelength, Re: "Ifindoubtgiveitaclout"! :D :lol: Thanks for being brave enough to post the above; I am surprised cat lovers haven't infiltrated this post to show their shock and horror. Kakapo wrote: That's when I bought the trap. I took 17 cats to the SPCA in the following month. 17 strays. The council just laughed when I suggested registering cats and replied that it'd cost far too much to even contemplate. They really are far more concerned with dog control and seem to care little about the diminishing numbers of native birds. Kakapo: Hmmmnnnn..... how much do the traps cost, and are they really CAT traps or in fact designed for POSSUMS?	Strommer (42)
316578	2005-05-12 20:26:00	I take it that if YOUR Bird, Dog, Elephant, Snake, Tiger happends to wander on the property I own I am justified in poisioning, shooting or trapping the said animal? I also take it that you know and can prove the particular animal belongs to a particular person. If so then why not use your local laws to deal with the problem? If your local laws need changing then why not get them changed? Hint:- Get yourself elected! Yes you'd be justified in trapping them, as long as they are domestic animals got astray. But I'd like to see you trap an elephant! Yes I know who the cat belongs to - but what difference does it make if I don't? There are no local laws dealing with cat problems. That's the problem. And there never will be...see the reaction to the proposed curfew in Hamilton? Cat owners got on their bandwagon and harrassed the council, who backed down. There are too many irresponsible, lazy cat owners to please.	manicminer (4219)
316579	2005-05-12 20:36:00	Now don't get me wrong . I have a deep respect for all animal life . I just hate to see our birds preyed upon and slowly tortured to death . It's a nasty death for the bird/fish and one that could be resolved by responsible cat ownership . Soon we'll be telling our grandchildren about the wonderful birds we USED to have here . How will we explain to them that WE allowed their demise? The biggest destructive pest on the planet is humans . Humans kill everything thats still moving . The "natural" world consists of predators and prey and it all worked quite well until people started upsetting the balance . The single main cause of loss of species isn't predators - its loss of habitat . Thats caused by humans breeding like cockroaches and paving over all the remaining wilderness . So don't fret - one day there won't be any dirty animals around .	pctek (84)
316580	2005-05-12 21:49:00	Kakapo: Hmmmnnnn..... how much do the traps cost, and are they really CAT traps or in fact designed for POSSUMS?Not alot of difference really is there? :confused: Cats = domesticated possums as far as i am concerned! :D	personthingy (1670)
316581	2005-05-12 22:02:00	Not alot of difference really is there? :confused: Cats = domesticated possums as far as i am concerned! :D Good point! Let's see now ... they both have soft beautiful fur that can be made into mittens (like a friend of mine did with his family pet after it died by natural means), they are both cute, they both scratch, destroy vegetation and birds, carry diseases, get squashed on roads, etc etc!	Strommer (42)
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