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| Thread ID: 53967 | 2005-02-01 03:57:00 | Hooray for Democracy in Iraq! | vinref (6194) | PC World Chat |
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| 320276 | 2005-02-03 00:58:00 | So I have great difficulty in reconciling the cynicism that Americans are purely self-interested, with the reality of their actions around the globe. Certainly they could do more, but hey - so could Australia and we. Many people, including myself, have the same difficulty. Sadly many use that as an excuse to do nothing. |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 320277 | 2005-02-03 01:00:00 | Murray - tear me to pieces why don't you! :D May I, really and truly? oh goody, I'll get right on it, soonish ;) Incidentally Iran is a theocracy, not a democracy. Precisely 001, your on to it now :thumbs: |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 320278 | 2005-02-03 01:04:00 | Doing nothing is a great idea. I fail to see why our money and lives should be used while those close to the action sit on their billions. The middle east is a fine example, Due to the oil they are saturated in money and resources,do they march across the border to free their brothers? No,They wait till another country from the other side of the world is forced into action,....then they attack the "liberators" |
Metla (12) | ||
| 320279 | 2005-02-03 01:34:00 | Doing nothing is a great idea. I fail to see why our money and lives should be used while those close to the action sit on their billions. Perhaps they have the same mentality as you - do nothing. So if they are doing nothing, so should you? Is your sense of compassion/morality dependent/proportional to others'? The middle east is a fine example, Due to the oil they are saturated in money and resources,do they march across the border to free their brothers? The ordinary people certainly would, if they could. Being under dictatorships/theocracies, that would be very difficult. No,They wait till another country from the other side of the world is forced into action,....then they attack the "liberators" Time and time again, it has been pointed out that those doing the attacking of the liberators are in fact those few that stand to lose out in a democratic process - the Islamists, the dictators and the corrupt. Not the ordinary people. |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 320280 | 2005-02-03 02:12:00 | Foot soldiers are always the ordinary people. And i can assure those that should be helping their brothers would not lift a finger to help me under any circumstances. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 320281 | 2005-02-03 02:41:00 | And i can assure those that should be helping their brothers would not lift a finger to help me under any circumstances. In which case, they then would hold exactly the same sentiments as you, which by your very reasoning throughout this thread is a good thing. And it's a self-fulfilling prophesy, isn't it? You think they won't do anything to help you, so you don't help them, and thus in return they don't help you when you need help. |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 320282 | 2005-02-03 02:43:00 | Nope,Thats not it at all,But if it makes you happy to draw that one comment out of the entire discussion then go for your life. | Metla (12) | ||
| 320283 | 2005-02-03 02:54:00 | Actually you are mistaken Metla. From my own experience of travelling, the poorest and most impoverished people tend to be the most helpful. Specifically the Sudanese insisted in sharing what they called meat but back on the farm we called scraps and fed to the dogs. These people lived in poverty (by our standards) but were openly happy and kind. By contrast the French, Germans, and Italians were curt, aloof, and plain rude. Ain't civilisation great. :rolleyes: |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 320284 | 2005-02-03 03:05:00 | uh,...No im not mistaken at all,My comment was And i can assure those that should be helping their brothers would not lift a finger to help me under any circumstances. Who was i referring to? And why would you assume they would die for my situation when they don't lift a finger for there brothers in nearby countries, They have the power,money,means and the obligation to sort things out in their part of the world. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 320285 | 2005-02-03 05:42:00 | uh,...No im not mistaken at all,My comment was And i can assure those that should be helping their brothers would not lift a finger to help me under any circumstances. Who was i referring to? As this thread was about democracy in Iraq, and as you mentioned something about "saturated in oil", we assumed you were referring to Middle Easterns in general, and Iraq's neighbours and kinsmen in particular. And why would you assume they would die for my situation when they don't lift a finger for there brothers in nearby countries, They have the power,money,means and the obligation to sort things out in their part of the world. Very well, your stand is noted. As for me, I would not assume/demand payment in kind before I act to relieve people of oppression. Similarly, I no longer assume that all people understand the concept of human compassion. |
vinref (6194) | ||
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