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Thread ID: 54102	2005-02-04 01:51:00	CD copying threats	rodb (1561)	PC World Chat

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321352	2005-02-04 01:51:00	I see from today's news that the recording industry is threatening action against universities over CD copying. They are worried about a drop in CD sales. This appears to be an extension of earlier action against individuals. Can't they see that this is their own fault? If they issued CDs that normal people wanted to buy their sales would RISE. The overwhelming majority of recent issues have been trash aimed at the juvenile and weak-minded people who don't have the money and are quite prepared to act illegally by copying or downloading music.	rodb (1561)
321353	2005-02-04 02:06:00	The problem as I see it as a decade or 2 ago a band was nurtured into a career, they were given the opportunity to get better at their craft, build an audience and hopefully reach the point where they achieved high volume sales and once that phase was over they still continued to record and tour, making a profit the entire time. And even if they didn't manage to make an album or 3 that had mainstream appeal they still managed to have reasonably large sales and cash turnover. The music itself done all the talking. Quality and hard work paid off. Now the record companies are in for a quick fix, milking every fad, forcing the 'artist' and what passes for music to fit the mold, the performer gets given an image and the record company provides the lyrics. Then they get one go at it, receive instant success and due to it being a cooperate product rather then an artistic effort they are immediately replaced by the next artist on the company payroll, same image, same lyrics, Different piece of candy. And if they don’t score big the end of the line is instant, if they do score big they may get one more chance but realistically the push is over. It’s a sad day when cooperate suits are marketing teen age rebellion to rebelling teenagers, and the kids who think they have something to believe in are just getting sucked in by marketing.	Metla (12)
321354	2005-02-04 06:39:00	Now the record companies are in for a quick fix, milking every fad, forcing the 'artist' and what passes for music to fit the mold, the performer gets given an image and the record company provides the lyrics. Then they get one go at it, receive instant success and due to it being a cooperate product rather then an artistic effort they are immediately replaced by the next artist on the company payroll, same image, same lyrics, Different piece of candy. Bubble gum music, it has a colourful wrapper and would appear to promise much, a couple of chews though and it tastes like worn out putty. No substance.	Murray P (44)
321355	2005-02-04 08:07:00	50 x CDR: $40.00 CD Writer: $40.00 2 x Audio CD's: $70.00 Go figure. If CD"s were more realistically priced I'd buy a lot more of em.	ninja (1671)
321356	2005-02-04 08:51:00	50 x CDR: $40.00 CD Writer: $40.00 2 x Audio CD's: $70.00 Go figure. If CD"s were more realistically priced I'd buy a lot more of em. Well said. The music industry is killing itself slowly, simply by charging too much money for poor quality. It will become a victim of its own greed. I enjoy listening to music but I have only bought a couple of CDs in the last 4 years because every time I go in a music store I shudder at having to fork out a fortune for something I'll probably only listen to for a week, or only listen to one or two tracks. Now the lawyers are filling their wallets and the record industry trying to bump up its profits by cashing in on law suits at the expense of harmless individuals (in the US at least, I don't know about other countries too much). Oh, I could say the same about DVDs too. Overpriced, especially considering I only watch films once and that's it. Hollywood is equally guilty of churning out alot of rubbish.	manicminer (4219)
321357	2005-02-04 08:55:00	I see from today's news that the recording industry is threatening action against universities over CD copying. They are worried about a drop in CD sales. This appears to be an extension of earlier action against individuals. Can't they see that this is their own fault? They know it's their own fault. Problem is there is too much money to be made by taking out lawsuits and students are easy targets. Guaranteed income. And lawyers certainly won't be discouraging it.	manicminer (4219)
321358	2005-02-04 11:17:00	I dont mind paying for what's good - but I agree, the music companies have gone completely mad trademe is good for cheap CD's :D	Agent_24 (57)
321359	2005-02-04 13:29:00	Can't they see that this is their own fault? If they issued CDs that normal people wanted to buy their sales would RISE. The overwhelming majority of recent issues have been trash aimed at the juvenile and weak-minded people who don't have the money and are quite prepared to act illegally by copying or downloading music. There is very good new stuff out there, depending on your tastes, but I agree about the quality as it applies to commercial pop music. But it has been like that since at least the disco era, so this is not the reason music piracy is so rife. It is the availability of cheap technology that is mostly responsible. Piracy as we know it today originates from the time of the availability of the first commercial burners, and has gotten worse since the availability of PC burners. By the way, the quality of music has no affect on the honesty or morality of people. People will burn away if they can do it cheaper than they can buy it. And I doubt the affected copyright owners can ever offer a price that will make people more honest and moral. The only way I can see the affected copyright owners getting out of this is to offer some added value to their retail products. I don't know what, but just plain ol' data on a piece of plastic that can be copied easily is not the way.	vinref (6194)
321360	2005-02-04 19:04:00	The technology for making 1-to-1 copies has been with us for years,and a cd-cassette deck is cheaper and far easier then using a computer . So that aint it . What has changed is the Record companies have consilitaded into 7 (maybe 5 now) major units,they control all the distribition channlels worldwide and they focus on the same goal . If you think now is the same as the disco era, Just imagine if Led Zep were a new up and coming band,If they wanted to make music in their vision they would be stuck on a minor label with no distribution cannels,no money to market them or produce albums in any great number . Only a select few would ever hear of them . Or . They sign up with one of the majors,Immediatly get trendy haircuts,stupid clothes, get told to cut all that fancy carry on called music, are insructed to rap about spoilt teenage weakness . They bomb . Career over . Record sales are down because people ain't buying the crap .	Metla (12)
321361	2005-02-05 00:36:00	The technology for making 1-to-1 copies has been with us for years,and a cd-cassette deck is cheaper and far easier then using a computer . So that aint it . Not true - CD or DVD burning is not difficult . Have a look at the recent PCWorld poll about drive/burner ownership . The power, speed and flexibility of CD/DVD burners and software is not on the same comparison scale as casette tapes/VHS tapes . And the quality is another matter . What has changed is the Record companies have consilitaded into 7 (maybe 5 now) major units,they control all the distribition channlels worldwide and they focus on the same goal . I do not think people doing the pirating know or care about the structure of the industry . They care about cost . If you think now is the same as the disco era, Just imagine if Led Zep were a new up and coming band,If they wanted to make music in their vision they would be stuck on a minor label with no distribution cannels,no money to market them or produce albums in any great number . Only a select few would ever hear of them . Or . They sign up with one of the majors,Immediatly get trendy haircuts,stupid clothes, get told to cut all that fancy carry on called music, are insructed to rap about spoilt teenage weakness . They bomb . Career over . An exaggeration . There are a lot of excellent "alternative" stuff out there . I don't know what labels they are with, or what sort of marketing they do . None of that matters because people do not buy according to record labels . Record sales are down because people ain't buying the crap . Apparently there are reports that the industry is doing marvellously well, despite their efforts to clamp down on piracy . And people are buying crap - just have a look at any top 40 list from the last few years . Very depressing .	vinref (6194)
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