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Thread ID: 54102	2005-02-04 01:51:00	CD copying threats	rodb (1561)	PC World Chat

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321362	2005-02-05 01:22:00	If CD"s were more realistically priced I'd buy a lot more of em. Me too. I care zero how many people break copyright laws while the entertainment industry continue to screw their customers :thumbs:	Greg (193)
321363	2005-02-05 04:47:00	uh....waste of time contesting every sentance I wrote if you are unable to comprehend the bigger picture. I'll go over it again, try to follow this time. The record industry has stopped signing the best and most promising acts and then giving them the resources to take what they do to a higher level. Instead they grab anything with a pulse (no talent required ) give them a song and dance to do,saturate it in image and market it to hell, The fix is quicker but over nearly as soon as it began. No idea what you mean by alternative,all music apart from what is in the charts is an alternative isn't it? Or are you just getting marketed to?...in much the same way the useless hacks Nirvana were promoted as 'alternative' while selling million (again,no talent required,just a few pop hooks and a million dollar producer) As to the smaller labels, Yep,thats were many potentialy good bands turn up,starved of resources and never able to rise above what should be a starter level.Most bands at this level are crushed by debt,and have to keep dayjobs. No real alternative now is it?	Metla (12)
321364	2005-02-05 06:16:00	Apparently there are reports that the industry is doing marvellously well, despite their efforts to clamp down on piracy. And people are buying crap - just have a look at any top 40 list from the last few years. Very depressing. Now that I do agree with. Makes you wonder what their big fuss is about if they are still making huge profits. (same goes for hollywood). Thing is they see every pirated copy as a copy "stolen" and money lost. That simply doesn't add up because they incorrectly assume that the pirates would automatically go out and buy the stuff if they weren't able to copy it. People do indeed buy alot of crap, but I reckon they pirate just as much crap as well.	manicminer (4219)
321365	2005-02-05 06:59:00	uh....waste of time contesting every sentance I wrote if you are unable to comprehend the bigger picture. I'll go over it again, try to follow this time. The record industry has stopped signing the best and most promising acts and then giving them the resources to take what they do to a higher level. Instead they grab anything with a pulse (no talent required ) give them a song and dance to do,saturate it in image and market it to hell, The fix is quicker but over nearly as soon as it began. No idea what you mean by alternative,all music apart from what is in the charts is an alternative isn't it? Or are you just getting marketed to?...in much the same way the useless hacks Nirvana were promoted as 'alternative' while selling million (again,no talent required,just a few pop hooks and a million dollar producer) As to the smaller labels, Yep,thats were many potentialy good bands turn up,starved of resources and never able to rise above what should be a starter level.Most bands at this level are crushed by debt,and have to keep dayjobs. No real alternative now is it? Hyperbole and exaggeration. If you think Led Zep was the last legitimately good act, then yes I do agree. There is nothing to debate about.	vinref (6194)
321366	2005-02-05 07:39:00	Can't stand led Zep, though they had talent and their own sound,much of their work was the result of original thought. There is no debate,just a bigger picture you fail to grasp, as illistrated by your bizarre comment about my unstated opinion on Led Zep.	Metla (12)
321367	2005-02-05 07:55:00	Can't stand led Zep, though they had talent and their own sound,much of their work was the result of original thought. There is no debate,just a bigger picture you fail to grasp, as illistrated by your bizarre comment about my unstated opinion on Led Zep. Hey dude. Calm down. Don't take things too personal.	vinref (6194)
321368	2005-02-05 08:08:00	What is honestly the difference, if you download a copy of a song off the net, or record one on your computer using a tv/fm tuner card etc? Either way you have the song, yet one is legal and the other not. This also goes for recording to tape etc. I fail to see the difference :confused:	hsv-b0y (5210)
321369	2005-02-05 09:01:00	[QUOTE=Metla As to the smaller labels, Yep,thats were many potentialy good bands turn up,starved of resources and never able to rise above what should be a starter level.Most bands at this level are crushed by debt,and have to keep dayjobs. [/QUOTE] And it was ever thus. Musicians, actors, artists, and poets have always struggled. Only a few rise to the top. I don't think there is any conspiracy by big recording companies to suppress "good" artists. They promote the ones they think are good - and will sell records. After all, they are in business. Because of the advent of video clips, "good" now requires sensuality to the extent that the music is secondary. If an artist can't sell sex or at least mystery, then they probably won't get promoted. My friends and I sneered at commercial music in the 1970s. Radio hits were not purchased or heard at student parties. Similarly you didn't hear Zeppelin, Sabbath, Supertramp, or Neil Young, on the radio. But somebody bought all those 20 Golden Hits records - bubblegum music still made money. So some bands struggle, some have a small but loyal following, and now and then there is a breakthrough to the bigtime. For example, I've never understood why NZ band "The Chills" haven't broken out. So far as copying music is concerned, we did it with cassettes years ago - cos we couldn't afford the albums. I've long been puzzled by the price of CDs. When they first arrived in the early 80s, they cost $25-30. Very expensive. Inflation says that $33 today is cheap - but it isn't. Not compared with the low cost of todays technology. So I don't blame people for burning music.	Winston001 (3612)
321370	2005-02-05 09:37:00	And it was ever thus. Musicians, actors, artists, and poets have always struggled. Only a few rise to the top. I don't think there is any conspiracy by big recording companies to suppress "good" artists. I agree. The truth is simpler and more straighforward, but more bland, than the "big picture" Metla was proposing. By the way, one "good" band a record company did try to suppress was Wilco. When their recording label dismissed their last album as "not good enough", they posted it on the net (www.wired.com). It took off, a related company bought it back and resold it at a much higher price. The band lead has a very interesting take on music, namely that it is a collaboration between the artist and the listener. It does not exist without the listener, paying or non-paying. Efforts to hunt down and label listeners as thieves is misguided and greedy.	vinref (6194)
321371	2005-02-06 01:05:00	What is honestly the difference, if you download a copy of a song off the net, or record one on your computer using a tv/fm tuner card etc? If the bloody scheizers in the recording industry had their way you'd be liable to pay a fee for simply humming a tune in the audible range of other people	Greg (193)
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