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Thread ID: 54424	2005-02-12 01:22:00	Will Apple Replace Microsoft?	vinref (6194)	PC World Chat

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324247	2005-02-16 04:10:00	Wowee! I didn't realise that I could plug my KB/Mouse into the non existant PS/2 ports on it! When was that feature added? Ok - so you still use one of those things. it is not normal to add obsolete items to new systems. Ps2 to USB adapter is all you need. Get a KVM switch and go back and forth between PC and the Mac.	Safari (3993)
324248	2005-02-16 04:18:00	That's not the point I'm getting at. I'm saying that Apple needs to have better compatibility with more software and hardware before it can truly take off. As I said before, as soon as Apple sorts out the DVD burning issue and lets me truly use all my old hardware, then we'll talk	Edward (31)
324249	2005-02-16 04:43:00	That's not the point I'm getting at. I'm saying that Apple needs to have better compatibility with more software and hardware before it can truly take off. As I said before, as soon as Apple sorts out the DVD burning issue and lets me truly use all my old hardware, then we'll talk If that was your point then you have a strange way of getting to it. This is what you said remember - "Sorry Julia, I've got to buy the $108 KB & Mouse, and the $1,705 screen to get it to work, because they use freaky non standard plugs, thereby making the price skyrocket. Sorry" It was incorrect and even though I don't believe you will ever buy a Mac other people could well be interested and and if you are going to make comments then make sure you have your facts correct so as not to create confusion.	Safari (3993)
324250	2005-02-16 04:54:00	That's not the point I'm getting at. I'm saying that Apple needs to have better compatibility with more software and hardware before it can truly take off. As I said before, as soon as Apple sorts out the DVD burning issue and lets me truly use all my old hardware, then we'll talkI'm about as far from being a Mac supporter as you could get, Safari can vouch for that however you're rather misinformed. In a standard home environment with Mom and Pop and the hyperglobalmegawebnet.ru they get their e-mails and intarweb sites and make a document - there's the majority of home computer users sorted - my parents and grandparents could be switched to a Mac tomorrow and they'd never know they were on something different. In their areas of expertise such as video editing and music creation Macs excel. 1/2 the beauty of a Mac is the fact the hardware is so specific, just as the beauty of Sun hardware is the same. The OS is custom fitted to operate with a specific set of equipment - it's why linux users use custom compiled kernels, to optimise the software for their hardware. One of the bigger problems with Windows is that every man and his dog and his dogs cousin have set up factories churning out slightly different versions of the same thing causing all sorts of driver hell. When you get to products like WinModems, finding the driver is more hassle than it's worth and buying a new one is often easier. As for compatibility, you don't get much more compatible than USB - most 3rd party keyboards and mice are USB as standard with PS/2 adapters. My Logitech kit is and it's 5 years old.	ninja (1671)
324251	2005-02-16 05:11:00	You could of course use a usb mouse and keyboard and of course nobody would mind utilising the two ports for these optional items or you could buy a usb hub (people who buy apples dont seem mind forking out money for the little xtras) and regain the usb ports.	the highlander (245)
324252	2005-02-16 05:21:00	If that was your point then you have a strange way of getting to it. This is what you said remember - "Sorry Julia, I've got to buy the $108 KB & Mouse, and the $1,705 screen to get it to work, because they use freaky non standard plugs, thereby making the price skyrocket. Sorry" Having a small role play about how it can't use my old hardware like you said it would isn't getting to the point? I'm confused by your logic. How can proving a point through a slightly different way than normal be not proving a point? It was incorrect and even though I don't believe you will ever buy a Mac other people could well be interested and and if you are going to make comments then make sure you have your facts correct so as not to create confusion. So I'm the only person using legacy PS/2 peripherals that won't work with the mac mini? Not bloody likely. Most people buying a new computer will be because the one they're using is too old to be fully useful. USB KBs/Mice have only become more common than PS/2 onec for a couple of years, therefore many people buying a new computer will have legacy VGA screens and PS/2 input devices. Thustly claiming that you can use all your old hardware with the new Mac mini is false, and the MM shouldn't be promoted as being that. Even if you do have the correct USB devices, the MM only has 2 ports, so you can't use any old printers/scanners (Providing you can even find drivers for them) that use USB. And what about anything that use parallel/serial connectors? And with no PCI slots, you can't even add any new ports. Or you could buy the "offical" hardware, which actually includes a USB, or a dedicated USB hub. So yes, you could use your old hardware, however think about it a while and it's not going to do any favours for future expansion via USB EDIT: Just found this on the apple website Keyboard, iPod mini, hands, AirPort, Bluetooth and PC sold separately.	Edward (31)
324253	2005-02-16 05:33:00	Intellectuallly I'd have to agree entirely with Ninja in what was, an impartial, well thought out and lucid statement. Gut instinct and grass roots bias tells me Macs are still irrelevant. Gut instinct always wins :D	the highlander (245)
324254	2005-02-16 06:24:00	Hmmm . . . . The 'average' user might not be concerned with what platform there email program is running on,But they will be concerned with the price they pay to do something as simple as run an email program . After price then suport is a big consideration,Does anyone in their 'group' know anything about a mac? Round these parts the only seller is Noel Leemings,about as helpful as a blister . . . and as painful . Nothing worse then seeing a comp spend 2 months away under Warrenty for a configuration issue . All the Mac user's I know are currently left high and dry,and ignored by the retail channels that sold them there expensive gear in the first place . One even complained Apple tried to charge to access a help and suport forum . . . I have no idea if this is true or not,Just what i was told . I am interested in the comment that a Mac is better at Media creation then a PC, Seeing as both are available in powerful configuartions(with the PC having the edge) then it must come down to software . . . . . of which excellent examples are available on both platforms . In dumbed down and advanced versions . Recently I had the pleasure of conversating with a 3D Animator, He had studied for a number of years on a Mac, Then been hired by a company in the UK . . . Upon arrival he discovered the entire studio ran PC's . I asked him which platform was best, His reply was that it mattered not, He done his best work on the programs he had experience on and the OS meant nothing . When I pushed him to nominate a favourite he told me his preferred format was a pencil and paper .	Powerslave (7265)
324255	2005-02-16 06:46:00	Hmmm . . . . The 'average' user might not be concerned with what platform there email program is running on,But they will be concerned with the price they pay to do something as simple as run an email program . After price then suport is a big consideration,Does anyone in their 'group' know anything about a mac? Round these parts the only seller is Noel Leemings,about as helpful as a blister . . . and as painful . Nothing worse then seeing a comp spend 2 months away under Warrenty for a configuration issue . All the Mac user's I know are currently left high and dry,and ignored by the retail channels that sold them there expensive gear in the first place . One even complained Apple tried to charge to access a help and suport forum . . . I have no idea if this is true or not,Just what i was told . I am interested in the comment that a Mac is better at Media creation then a PC, Seeing as both are available in powerful configuartions(with the PC having the edge) then it must come down to software . . . . . of which excellent examples are available on both platforms . In dumbed down and advanced versions . Recently I had the pleasure of conversating with a 3D Animator, He had studied for a number of years on a Mac, Then been hired by a company in the UK . . . Upon arrival he discovered the entire studio ran PC's . I asked him which platform was best, His reply was that it mattered not, He done his best work on the programs he had experience on and the OS meant nothing . When I pushed him to nominate a favourite he told me his preferred format was a pencil and paper . Did he mention how exactly he did 3D animations with pencil and paper?	Cicero (40)
324256	2005-02-16 06:51:00	eh? He sketched out a half dozen dozen versions of each model,submitted them to the editor, And then created the approved item on the comp. If you look up something like 'quake 4 concept art' you will see that all these creations start on paper.	Powerslave (7265)
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