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Thread ID: 54404	2005-02-11 10:14:00	Why do PC users put up with so many viruses and worms?	Safari (3993)	PC World Chat

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323955	2005-02-11 21:03:00	Why do you put up with the Telecom monopoly? Why do you put up with Overpriced apple hardware/software? Why do you pay your taxes? Why do you put up with pollution? Why do you put up with world hunger? O goody! Silly question time! Why do you put up with the Telecom monopoly? --Not everyone has the Telstra option :groan::groan: Why do you put up with Overpriced apple hardware/software? --Pay for software? Poor humanoids! Why do you pay your taxes? --Have to or get in trouble ey! Why do you put up with pollution? --Apathy, also i'm only willing to perfect with my OWN little world Why do you put up with world hunger? --Apathy, and again, i'm only willing to perfect with my OWN little world :groan:	personthingy (1670)
323956	2005-02-11 21:13:00	Just to keep the war going: www.divisiontwo.com That article is a real giggle because it begs so many questions. I started to wonder about whether it was really a spoof or just sloppy biased journalism, till I got to the final paragraph, and then became sure. With subtle or unconscious humour, the author says: "When I consider that a good deal of my time is spent running applications like Disk Defragmenter, Scandisk, Norton AV, Windows Update and Ad-Aware--none of which are available for the Mac platform--it doesn't make sense for me to "switch" to a Mac at this time." :lol:	John H (8)
323957	2005-02-11 21:43:00	Why do you put up with the Telecom monopoly? Why do you put up with Overpriced apple hardware/software? Why do you pay your taxes? Why do you put up with pollution? Why do you put up with world hunger? What do all these questions have in common? That's right, the answer is "Because it's there!" That's some incredibly flawed logic there, mate. We don't put up with things "just because they're there". Probably more than 90% of households in New Zealand don't have access to a phoneline that wouldn't go through Telecom's network. And the small number of people (relative to the population) who are fed up with Telecom and want an alternative won't be able to make much difference. Most households are perfectly happy with the service provided by Telecom. You know what that means? We're stuck with them. The issue of whether Apple hardware is overpriced is pointless amongst your other four questions. In fact it's an outsider posing to be a serious question. I should hope most people put up with taxes because they understand that they subsidise costs elsewhere, in addition to the fact that they don't really have an option to not pay them. Tax cuts usually result in the decline of education, healthcare, and the likes. I believe that in Sweden they used to (and probably still do) have a tax rate upwards of 90% of their income. They have incredibly good public services there and get subsidies in every direction. People tend to ignore or pass off pollution. Call it apathetic if you like. You'll probably find that unless polution directly affects them, most people won't do a thing about it. Selfish? Yes. Silly? Probably. Can we do a thing about it? Not really. We live in a world where corporations often have more influence than individuals, even when the people band together. Same goes for world hunger as pollution, really. Realistically, how often does your average citizen in a developed country think about the daily struggles that people in third-world countries go through? I wouldn't mind betting that if all advertising was replaced with facts and statistics (and pictures and footage) of life in third-world countries, we'd all take a bit more action. Maybe only a bit though. I just wish that people would show fervour about the important issues, rather than getting all worked up in their religious groups. Yes, Mr Tamaki, that means you too.	agent (30)
323958	2005-02-11 22:51:00	[QUOTE=. Seriously though, please make it stop. You use a mac, and that's your choice. Please stop making threads about how we should use Macs. How would you feel if we went to the macguide forums en masse and spammed their forums?[/QUOTE] You are quite welcome to go to any Mac forum and post and many windows users do this. This is a computer forum and not a Windows forum, even PC World have Mac articles at times so what is your problem. Do you want this to be exclusively for Windows and would you like the Linux users to post somewhere else as well.	Safari (3993)
323959	2005-02-11 23:05:00	I know a guy who has a doctorate in philosophy, and thinks that he'll only be able to open Microsoft Office documents if they were written on the same OS as what he uses - Windows XP. I would hate to have to tell him it's not the OS that matters, it's what version of Microsoft Office you use. (Or how accurate OpenOffice.org's developers were in implementing the ability to save to the Microsoft Word format, but that's another issue for another day.)	agent (30)
323960	2005-02-11 23:30:00	Same could be said "Why isnt everybody on BSD?" Heh heh, well said. As for why Microsoft sucks, see my sig, and Google it to find out who/where.	Altec_ (2950)
323961	2005-02-11 23:44:00	Uh that link doesnt work metla, www.ctrlaltdel-online.com	Metla (12)
323962	2005-02-12 00:12:00	Why do PC users put up with so many viruses and worms? Because the alternative is a Mac . I would rather have a virus . Though to be fair,I don't know which is worse, To use a Mac, Or to be the type of person who would use a Mac .	Metla (12)
323963	2005-02-12 00:15:00	Ooohhh goody! a pointless debate, everyone's forté except mine it seems, so a bit of practise to sharpen up my skills is in order, eh! Did you ever stop to think that maybe if everyone started using Macs then all of a sudden macs would be subject to all the viruses and spyware? The PC platform has more viruses and spyware written for it simply because there is a greater audience . No operating system or browser is 100% secure, get over it . Hmmmm, let me see now, this looks to be a very reasonable argument, nigh on bullet proof it would seem, just like your average specious argument, that is . Let's use the same argument in a little analogy shall we . "Each year, 300 to 500 million people develop malaria and 1 . 5 to 2 . 7 million die--a rate of 200 to 300 deaths worldwide each hour . Ninety percent of this mortality is in Africa . " There were 73 cases of maleria in New Zealand in 1998, a comparative percentage so tiny it's not worth the effort . So it's obvious isn't it . We all know that far more people use Africa as a place to live than New Zealand, that's the causal link in a nutshell, population . It has nothing to do with maleria being indemic in Africa because of climate, habitat, resources, education, available vectors, etc, it is just that Africa has more users isn't it . It's not because you would be inherently more vulnerable to maleria if you lived in Africa, hell, put that many people in New Zealand and people would be dropping left right and centre from maleria, wouldn't they . Tell me I'm wrong, you can't dispute the argument can you, not on your grounds anyway . Safari: Here are a few more reasonable questions I'd like you to answer before I answer your ones . I know this was directed at Safari, but it is a public question not on PM so here goes: Why do you put up with the Telecom monopoly? Are you telling me I like, or put up with Telecom? Your imposing your values on me to support your aguement, I use Telecom as little as possible, most of that use is not discretionary . Why do you put up with Overpriced apple hardware/software? Can't answer that directly because I don't use a mac, but I won't let a little thing like that stop me . I use Linux, why would I do that when it is so blimmin hard to figure the damn thing out, so hard to do some of the basic things I take for granted on Windows, get myself tangled up in knots when I try to customise or tweake it? And no, not everyone has this problem with nix, but I do, it's not intuitive for me, so why? Because I think the price I pay is worth it . It does everything I want and more, sure it's harder for me, and most people, to use but the benefits outway the the cons IMO . Put another way, why would you work harder to put a better roof over your head or, drive a Volvo instead of a Toyota Carrolla? To some people it doesn't matter, they are satisfied with where they are at, or simply know no different . For others it is a matter of style or taste, pride, real or apparent safety . Some people just won't pay the price or put in the effort to get what they want or improve their lot, but hey, that's their choice even if it's not such a good look from the outside . Why do you pay your taxes? For me it's a non discretionary activity . It comes with the territory of being an honest citizen . Simple really and not relevant to the arguement . Why do you put up with pollution? Do I? Pal, I live in Wellington, we don't put up with pollution, we send it elsewhere, maybe your way . Why do you put up with world hunger? Do I? No I don't . Perhaps you should have asked, "Why don't you do something about world hunger?" But you didn't . What do all these questions have in common? That's right, the answer is "Because it's there!" Uhmm, not quiet, see above . And for the other approach: There will always be spyware, because programs are coded by humans . To err is human . Therefore, no computer program will ever be perfect . Not even Mas OS is perfect . Another question to see if you can answer . If Windows is so terrible, why does 95% use it if there are "Superior" products available? Particualry with regard to the last para, see this outburst ( . euronet . nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS . html" target="_blank">www . euronet . nl), particularly from 4 down, the authors views do not necessarilly reflect my own but, they do strike a cord . There is a similar if much less rabid, more palatable, commentary by a different author hanging around somewhere, but I can't find it at the mo, so this one will have to suffice . Read and enjoy :D	Murray P (44)
323964	2005-02-12 00:20:00	hmmm....Was looking good untill you mentioned Volvo as a matter of style and taste........ Im still reeling from that, Volvo drivers being the equilivent of a Mac zealot.	Metla (12)
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