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| Thread ID: 142146 | 2016-05-04 19:26:00 | Surgery, The Ultimate Placebo by Ian Harris | pctek (84) | PC World Chat |
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| 1420102 | 2016-05-04 19:26:00 | . aaos . org/ianharris/about . cfm" target="_blank">orthodoc . aaos . org . smh . com . au/national/surgery-the-ultimate-placebo-20160207-gmo484 . html" target="_blank">www . smh . com . au Where he shows a lot of surgery, past and present is not just unnecessary but bad for you . One reason is doctors must be seen to be doing something - sometimes because the patient insists . Not giving a treatment = not fixing you . Even if A)they can't fix you B)you don't need to be fixed or whatever . One thing he says in the book is the long trouble free life most pets experience without need of vet intervention - but humans must have continual maintenance? Totally agree, he also shows how placebos - pills - alternative medicine - surgery - can all make the patient think they have been improved, even though an awful lot of it is just the body healing itself anyway . An example - antibiotics for colds . Patient gets better, therefore they assign that to the pill and not the immune system finally getting it under control . He says patients and doctors are all guilty of it, it's human nature in part . I have always been of the opinion that only mad people have surgery if they don't absolutley have to and I'll stay away unless I am totally disintegrating and have no choice . We need far more like Ian . Yet people run off to the docs over the least little thing, hassle GPS for pills, hound surgeons for joint replacements the minute they get a wee bit sore, whine about being fat and how they need their stomachs chopped out to cure themselves etc etc . No wonder doctors tend to respond . |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1420103 | 2016-05-04 21:58:00 | And, there are some greedy surgeons (the number is getting larger) just want you to go for operations so that he/she can squeeze all your money! Health 'professionals' are loosing their professional ethics. I used to respect doctors but not now. |
bk T (215) | ||
| 1420104 | 2016-05-04 22:13:00 | I'm with you, but I'm not sure if taking people's placebo's away is always a good thing. Sometimes when there is no actual help to be had the belief that something is helping can be very powerful. It may not be completely understood but it's well known that our state of mind can affect our health and well being sometimes drastically. People believe all kinds of crazy treatments work based on nothing but belief and suggestion, and once they get better add their testimony to the "evidence" that a certain alternative treatment works. However as long as no ones being scammed out of large sums of money and are seeing actual doctors for anything serious there's no real harm in this much of the time I think. In fact in many cases it may really help, not because it works but because people believe it does. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1420105 | 2016-05-04 22:58:00 | And, there are some greedy surgeons (the number is getting larger) just want you to go for operations so that he/she can squeeze all your money! Health 'professionals' are loosing their professional ethics. I used to respect doctors but not now. I had my sinuses done a few years ago. Great job but he put his tweezers up my nose then down my throat just far enough that he could drag my wallet out through my left nostril :) Ken |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1420106 | 2016-05-05 01:56:00 | CPR is another thing you might want to avoid. When you're dead it's best to stay that way :) Here's the Guardian: www.theguardian.com (read the comments - a lot of them by doctors) |
BBCmicro (15761) | ||
| 1420107 | 2016-05-05 02:42:00 | I'm with you, but I'm not sure if taking people's placebo's away is always a good thing . Sometimes when there is no actual help to be had the belief that something is helping can be very powerful . However as long as no ones being scammed out of large sums of money and are seeing actual doctors for anything serious there's no real harm in this much of the time I think . Hmmm . I think there certainly is harm in being given unnecessary surgery . I think there is also harm in perpetuating myths about bogus treatments too . It leads to bad things and half wits giving up vaccinations and such |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1420108 | 2016-05-05 02:45:00 | Here's the Guardian: www.theguardian.com (read the comments - a lot of them by doctors) "But the hard truth of the matter, that the general public doesn't really know, is if the heart doesn't respond to medication, CPR will only work in 1 in 60, and early defibrillation will only work in 1 in 12. If a person has been down for 20 minutes before CPR has been started, chances are they won't survive unless they're body is frozen (body is cold) and chances are they will have brain damage." I know that. I also know a defribillator does not actual get a stopped heart going again, it can fix a heart beating in an incorrect rhythm, but too mnay people get their medical knowledge from TV - and not just shows, from reporters who don't report accurately too. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1420109 | 2016-05-06 02:07:00 | I had my sinuses done a few years ago. Great job but he put his tweezers up my nose then down my throat just far enough that he could drag my wallet out through my left nostril :) Ken That got my sphincter muscles going. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1420110 | 2016-05-06 06:20:00 | Keep them tight Cic. Ken :) |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1420111 | 2016-05-06 10:49:00 | I had my sinuses done a few years ago.I had polyps remove from my upper nostrils, twice. First time was in South Africa. The procedure was mostly painless, but didn't help for more than a year. Second time was in Auckland about 20 years ago - painful as hell, especially when the wadding was removed. At least it was successful. | Greg (193) | ||
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