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Thread ID: 54706	2005-02-20 00:12:00	Linux Now Easier To Use Than Windows?	vinref (6194)	PC World Chat

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326613	2005-02-21 06:55:00	One of the most well hidden and mysterious secrets in Windows: Ctrl + C and Ctrl + VWhat personthingy is meaning, is that in Linux you only have to highlight the text you wish to copy and then use one click of the middle button (scroll wheel) to paste. It is really fast and neat, without the need to use keyboard shortcuts. :) I try and do this all the time on the Window boxes at work out of habit and it drives me nuts when nothing "pastes", and I get some strange looks from co-workers who wonder what I am doing :rolleyes: I just spotted this article here (www.linuxworld.com.au), although not aimed at home desktops, shows that Linux business desktops are easy to maintain from a Admin perspective that Windows. It says quote; "Manning estimates that it takes a company approximately one desktop administrator to support 40 Windows PCs, while one administrator can support between 200 and 400 Linux desktops" :)	Jen (38)
326614	2005-02-21 07:00:00	Well that's you. After 8 years of being chained to windows, crtl + c comes naturally. I agree, a middle button copy would be useful for some, but most of the people I know can live without. I think I know what you mean when it "drives you nuts". I've just had the displeasure of having to use Filemaker Pro without a scroll mouse :@@:	Edward (31)
326615	2005-02-21 07:11:00	Ubuntu on JSG (linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz) nah dont waste your bandwidth, just order a free cd here (http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/)	Prescott (11)
326616	2005-02-21 07:43:00	...it seems to me that for many (most?) people, three things are making it difficult for them to use Linux on a regular basis. These are (correct me if I am wrong): 1. Hardware compatibility issues; 2. Software installation and configuration; and 3. Steep learning curve/cultural shock. All are important considerations and the criticisms of Linux are fair. However, there are ways around these. For hardware compatibility issues, you could selectively buy hardware that is known to be Windows and Linux-compatible. This is not as difficult as it sounds, as you would only have to go to the manufacturers site to check it out, or google for other peoples hacks. It is usually no more expensive or less functional, and frequently it is the other way around, and they are more common that you would think. If you already have non-Linux-compatible hardware, then maybe you should stick to Windows. Some distros have little, poor or no package-management systems. I recommend you stick to the older, active, larger ones because they tend to have better package management systems, more packages in their systems, and larger, more mature support communities. You should also stick to the default install unless you are really curious and adventurous. As Linux is vastly different from Windows (although some distros are actively aping the Windows look and feel) lots of people do get very confused. Unfortunately there is no way around this other than persistence and perspiration. Using an older, disposeable machine to try it out on is a good way to familiarise yourself with Linux without messing up your primary machine.	vinref (6194)
326617	2005-02-21 09:00:00	What personthingy is meaning, is that in Linux you only have to highlight the text you wish to copy and then use one click of the middle button (scroll wheel) to paste. It is really fast and neat, without the need to use keyboard shortcuts. :) I try and do this all the time on the Window boxes at work out of habit and it drives me nuts when nothing "pastes", and I get some strange looks from co-workers who wonder what I am doing :rolleyes: Yeah but it's REALLY annoying when I go to paste something in... but it's already been replaced with something else I have in advertently highlighted. Other than that it can be quite nice.	Jeremy (1197)
326618	2005-02-21 09:41:00	One of the most well hidden and mysterious secrets in Windows: Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V I'm aware of that, it's just i got used to the quicker way that linux systems use. Highlighting copies, middle button pastes. No other keyboard shortcuts etc required! *nix systems have many clever uses of the middle mouse button, this is the one i miss most when on other machines Unless the computer is seriously retarded, click 'n' drag works on pretty much every computer i've encountered. As does copy 'n' paste shortcutsThis particular XP machine probably is "seriously retarded". :stare: I therefore should not take it as being typical. I'm fairly sure this worked on my '98 machine, and incorrectly assumed that it had been dropped with XP. Anyways, what this XP machine wouldn't do was select multiple files/directorys thus: millerton.co.nz It was fine with click and drag of individual files. :D	personthingy (1670)
326619	2005-02-21 11:22:00	Yep, Call me crazy but I did read up on it before starting the download, As for everything working out of the box and stability, This is Linux after all . . . . . . . Every review (or bunch of reviews) for any and every distro I have read has highlighted issues, faults, Incompatibilities, difficulties, and an Achilles heel or three . However, I think you may be more concerned that I have haphazardly chosen a poor distro so that I can flame it at a later date . What, me call you crazy Met's? oh all right then, if you insist: Your crazy Nah, I don't don't think your trolling for flamer bait, besides we'd all know it was a put on if you failed ;) Ubuntu isnt Preview Release? Ive had them mail me 13 Final-release 1 . 0 version CD's, in nice cases, along with Ubuntu Live too! Murray, Im sure you were a Mepis man?? From the Ubuntu site: The first public release of Ubuntu was the Ubuntu 4 . 10 Preview (codenamed "the Warty Warthog", or just "Warty") . You can download the CD and burn it yourself or have us ship you a CD . I couldn't find the usual change log or release map but that's the only release I can find unless you want to go completely nuts . I did find though, a bit that said "Warthog final release announcement" so maybe there's a bit of a boo boo on their main site . I'll have another look at Mepis sometime, same concept as Ubuntu and Debian based as well, except it's about a year or so ahead of Ubuntu down the development path . Mepis also has a commercial branch which can have benefits . First off however, I'm going to install Gentoo, have the full live CD ready and waiting for some spare time . I plan to install it with just the bare necessities of app's I need for my work; Office/productivity (OO), Browser & email, good print drivers/setup if I can find them (have never been satisfied with Cups, HPwhateverthenameis or my set up of it), USB/Camera/Card reader, Image editor (The Gimp) & viewer/simple editor (including CAD formats), CD/DVD burning (KB3), PDF, converter (no brainer), Backup utility, Disk utility, and a few other basic tools and bits & pieces . No music, game or file sharing, probably not even Samba or network sharing tools . Just a good solid standalone OS for work that will render images nice and fast and won't crash as Windows did today as I was converting a measly little Word doc with graphics to a PDF, Grrrrrrrr . Good thread BTW .	Murray P (44)
326620	2005-02-21 19:32:00	This particular XP machine probably is "seriously retarded". :stare: I therefore should not take it as being typical. I'm fairly sure this worked on my '98 machine, and incorrectly assumed that it had been dropped with XP. Anyways, what this XP machine wouldn't do was select multiple files/directorys thus: millerton.co.nz It was fine with click and drag of individual files. :D I thought that might be because they turned on the "point to select" single click way of doing things, but even that option doesn't make it quite so retarded that you can't select multiple files by clicking and dragging. Something was weird with their system, it's got me stumped.	Jeremy (1197)
326621	2005-02-21 20:15:00	If not for the massive security flaw built into XP (as in everything is an extension of the OS and what affects IE effects the rest of the comp) I would say its the perfect OS for the home user. Taking on board the above quote from Metla, perhaps the use of LitePC (http://litepc.com) might remove the major IE security concerns (and other bloat issues) to allow the benefits of XP to be enjoyed without the downside problems. That might make the struggle with Linux a little less attractive or necessary. I haven't tried LitePC yet, but since I have to load XP onto my laptop to overcome my Powerpoint problem, I intend to invest in a copy to trim down the OS installation. If I like the results I'll gut the dross out of all my computers. Has anybody here used LitePC in recent times? Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
326622	2005-02-21 20:38:00	Re my earlier post about my experience with Xandros (now v3 Deluxe) I have just checked, and yes, as someone says, my digicam is recognised as a removable USB disk. In the process of checking that, I noticed something new since a large update was installed yesterday - Xandro has installed a functional battery monitor on my laptop - a deficiency in Xandros on laptops (?Linux in general?, because it was also a problem in Mandrake and Fedora when I used them) that appears to have been solved in Xandros at least.	John H (8)
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