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Thread ID: 54953	2005-02-26 23:26:00	All Black Named	Obelix (752)	PC World Chat

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328565	2005-02-27 21:58:00	Good on you Lo trying to keep a sense of perspective. There are about a hundred assault prosecutions in the Courts every week. Some serious - kicking, bits of wood etc, and some a single punch or push. We shouldn't concentrate on one simply because an All Black is involved. Except that such cases serve to illustrate our criminal law and its enforcement. And maybe its flaws too. Debate over this case can benefit public attitudes and remind us that assaults are committed in all levels of society. The thing to remember is that the police don't prosecute offenders just for the hell of it. They have to have evidence that a crime was committed, and that it was sufficently serious to justify a charge. Even then, they can offer "diversion" whereby a first offender gets the chance to do anger management or something positive. The charge is later withdrawn. This All Black must have committed a fairly serious assault and have other convictions, to be prosecuted. I recall a man who assaulted his wife. His story was that he hit or pushed her once, and pleaded guilty. However the police told me it was a great deal worse and she was so frightened she'd lost control of her bowels. That humiliating fact was never made public. The point is, the offenders story and the bald facts made this seem a very ordinary matter. Court reports are generally the tip of the iceberg. Thanks... I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts and am surprised others are quite willing to accept a newspaper article as the only true gospel of the situation. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
328566	2005-02-27 22:06:00	well . Now in my thinking, who ever hits another, or forcebly moves another is considered assault . no matter who it is they should be punished . But if this woman is his wife, and pregnat to boot, who was it that complained and took it to court? somebody must of and if it was her, there must have been enough reasonable doubt in the lawyers or judges mind to start with to actually get it that far? no? yes? im not taking sides, but from the perspective of assault on a pregnant woman, the damage to her is usuallybad and no matter what you say, females are not as strong as a male, this damages can be twofold on a baby, sometimes causing death, or severe damage to the unborn defenceless child . There are quite a few things we dont know, apart from the name . Why was he dragging her? was he protecting her from others? the press? stalkers? neighbours? or was he just mad at her and she didnt listen? We dont know all the details, we were not there, we can form an opinion but it wont be based on facts, because we werent there, we cannot say what really happened or not . This also makes you wonder what the relationship is like if the wife took him to court for assault? can anybody else charge him for assault on another person or not? I beleive we should treat others with respect and kindness .	beetle (243)
328567	2005-02-27 22:24:00	And you superpowers of deduction allowed you to see an All Black did that? Like I said - 2 sides to every story. I'm not condoning violence, I'm saying there's another side to the story other than the sensationalist journalism newspapers are afflicted with when trying to sell their papers. Remember - up until a few months ago, there were weapons of mass destruction buried in Iraq's soil and not just oil. Lo. That would be comparable force to stopping someones direction of travel and forcibly dragging them into a house against their will. What is this other side to the story you keep on referring to? The background doesn't matter in the least, the act does. How about as an example you try and forcibly drag someone against there will into your house from the street, might enlighten you to the amount of force required.	Metla (12)
328568	2005-02-27 22:57:00	Wow. Just wow. This thread delivers.	ninja (1671)
328569	2005-02-27 23:04:00	Speachless ninja? That would be a first wouldnt it? :@@::lol:	beetle (243)
328570	2005-02-28 00:25:00	That would be comparable force to stopping someones direction of travel and forcibly dragging them into a house against their will . What is this other side to the story you keep on referring to? The background doesn't matter in the least, the act does . How about as an example you try and forcibly drag someone against there will into your house from the street, might enlighten you to the amount of force required . Aaargh!! You're missing the point . You're basing your assumption of "forcibly dragging" on a 3rd person's report . Newspapers love to sensationalise stories in order to make sales . The reporter wasn't even at the event - he/she is reporting after the fact and could have blown it all out of proportion . I have always said I don't condone violence, but that there is probably another side to this story which we haven't been told . Lo .	Lohsing (219)
328571	2005-02-28 00:27:00	You don't go to court over a reporter reporting on a court case.......	Metla (12)
328572	2005-02-28 00:35:00	Of course you don't - and by the very legal definition of assault, this case would warrant going to court. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
328573	2005-02-28 01:02:00	Speachless ninja? That would be a first wouldnt it? :@@::lol:It's like watching a train wreck... a stampede of stupidity if you will.	ninja (1671)
328574	2005-02-28 01:03:00	Of course you don't - and by the very legal definition of assault, this case would warrant going to court.Thus I think you've just sold your own argument out from under yourself.	ninja (1671)
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