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Thread ID: 54953	2005-02-26 23:26:00	All Black Named	Obelix (752)	PC World Chat

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328555	2005-02-27 16:26:00	The NZRFU should not have even been considered. Who or what he is should be immaterial. I wonder if the judge was a rugby fan. Would he have got the same treatment if he had been a league player, or a soccer player. Jack	JJJJJ (528)
328556	2005-02-27 19:15:00	I'm not disguising it at all. If any of you actually bothered to read the judge's verdict, you would perhaps see that it was described as being at the lower end of the scale. Further to that, I'm not condoning violence at all, but suggesting you all consider the fact that it could be the Herald sensationalising a news story to provoke debate / sell more newspapers. Heaven forbid that there actually be another side to this story. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
328557	2005-02-27 19:22:00	What does "lower end of the scale" mean? Did he just use his fist and not a lump of wood or something? Jack	JJJJJ (528)
328558	2005-02-27 19:30:00	hmmm....he pleaded guilty and still mamanged to get a discharge without conviction. Lmao, Does the system proud. Going by the article i just read he used physical force to drag her into a house....which cant have been a nice process for the woman.	Metla (12)
328559	2005-02-27 19:39:00	What does "lower end of the scale" mean? Did he just use his fist and not a lump of wood or something? Jack Why don't you read for yourself? Lo.	Lohsing (219)
328560	2005-02-27 19:41:00	hmmm....he pleaded guilty and still mamanged to get a discharge without conviction. Lmao, Does the system proud. Going by the article i just read he used physical force to drag her into a house....which cant have been a nice process for the woman. And? Pleading not guilty to a situation which clearly happened would've done nothing for him. Again, you're making the assumption of the level of physical force. Mind you, it's written down, so it must be true, eh? Lo.	Lohsing (219)
328561	2005-02-27 20:51:00	Thanks Lo, But please try and not to tell me what to deduce from what I have read. He had a tussle with his woman, pleaded guilty and the judge gave him a peck on the cheek. Now, Im about to walk into town, start arguing with a woman loudly, grab her, shake the **** out of her and then wrestle her to the ground. I'll make sure I pick a pregnant women who i am much bigger and stronger then. When I get to court I'll tell the judge he is mad, this sort of behaviour is acceptable in NZ. Wish me luck.	Metla (12)
328562	2005-02-27 20:58:00	Good on you Lo trying to keep a sense of perspective. There are about a hundred assault prosecutions in the Courts every week. Some serious - kicking, bits of wood etc, and some a single punch or push. We shouldn't concentrate on one simply because an All Black is involved. Except that such cases serve to illustrate our criminal law and its enforcement. And maybe its flaws too. Debate over this case can benefit public attitudes and remind us that assaults are committed in all levels of society. The thing to remember is that the police don't prosecute offenders just for the hell of it. They have to have evidence that a crime was committed, and that it was sufficently serious to justify a charge. Even then, they can offer "diversion" whereby a first offender gets the chance to do anger management or something positive. The charge is later withdrawn. This All Black must have committed a fairly serious assault and have other convictions, to be prosecuted. I recall a man who assaulted his wife. His story was that he hit or pushed her once, and pleaded guilty. However the police told me it was a great deal worse and she was so frightened she'd lost control of her bowels. That humiliating fact was never made public. The point is, the offenders story and the bald facts made this seem a very ordinary matter. Court reports are generally the tip of the iceberg.	Winston001 (3612)
328563	2005-02-27 21:00:00	Well Metla, if you are an all black you can expect the judge to tell you the woman probably deserved it so he won't convict you. BUT if you are not an all black I'd say three months hard labour would fit the case. See you in three months time. Jack ;)	JJJJJ (528)
328564	2005-02-27 21:56:00	Now, Im about to walk into town, start arguing with a woman loudly, grab her, shake the **** out of her and then wrestle her to the ground. And you superpowers of deduction allowed you to see an All Black did that? Like I said - 2 sides to every story. I'm not condoning violence, I'm saying there's another side to the story other than the sensationalist journalism newspapers are afflicted with when trying to sell their papers. Remember - up until a few months ago, there were weapons of mass destruction buried in Iraq's soil and not just oil. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
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