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| Thread ID: 55510 | 2005-03-12 07:11:00 | Spanish Islamic Commission Issues Fatwa Against Osama Bin Laden | vinref (6194) | PC World Chat |
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| 333391 | 2005-03-12 07:11:00 | If you don't already know, a fatwa is a legal, official decision issued by a qualified, Muslim scholar. The decision is based on Koranic teachings. The article (www.news.com.au) reports that the Spanish Islamic Comission issued the fatwa on the anniversary of the Madrid bombing against what it considered the un-Islamic killing of innocent civilians by al-Qaeda in its fight against the West. The article also mentions the oft-forgotten manifesto of al-Qaeda: to reclaim what was once Islamic lands. This includes large areas of Spain that the Moors were expelled from in the late 1400's. |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 333392 | 2005-03-12 10:52:00 | Thanks Vin. Good that we learn that not all Islam is pro-Bin Laden. Of course it isn't but that's the impression the media give. I tend to think that the extremist Islamics are akin to Christian fundamentalists. But there is a difference. The worst Christian act I know of - in modern times - is the isolated murders of abortion doctors in the USA. By comparison, Islamic groups count their followers in the hundeds of thousands and bomb and shoot other Islamics as well as any Europeans nearby. The level of violence is exponentially greater. Nevertheless, I also believe that the vast majority of Moslems simply want a quiet life. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 333393 | 2005-03-13 08:45:00 | Good stuff, Vinref. Thanks. I will forward this info on to my email friends - as Winston says "Good that we learn that not all Islam is pro-Bin Laden." | Strommer (42) | ||
| 333394 | 2005-03-13 20:36:00 | Thanks Vin. Good that we learn that not all Islam is pro-Bin Laden. Of course it isn't but that's the impression the media give. I tend to think that the extremist Islamics are akin to Christian fundamentalists. But there is a difference. The worst Christian act I know of - in modern times - is the isolated murders of abortion doctors in the USA. By comparison, Islamic groups count their followers in the hundeds of thousands and bomb and shoot other Islamics as well as any Europeans nearby. The level of violence is exponentially greater. Nevertheless, I also believe that the vast majority of Moslems simply want a quiet life. Yes, I agree. Every muslim I have ever known personally deplored violence and ill-treatment of anyone and everyone. Most of them also displayed an almost animistic respect for animals and the environment in general. What I see in the media in Iraq is completely alien to what I have experienced. As compared to Christianity and it's own role in wars and death and destruction, let's not forget that both World Wars were mostly between Christians (the "atheistic" Soviets and the Japanese were not). The very Christian Nazis tried to annihilate a race they, and all other Christians, blame for killing Jesus and all other silly conspiracies. Every other destructive war seemed to have been Christian and mostly European in character. |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 333395 | 2005-03-13 20:55:00 | Every other destructive war seemed to have been Christian and mostly European in character . Errr . . . . . . what about Alexander The Great, the Roman conquests, Tamerlane, and Ghengis Kahn? Not to mention Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and the Hutu and Tutsi . Oh yes, and Mao and Stalin . We tend to think of Christianity as being a contributor to all wars . This is because Western nations (nominally christian) are the technology leaders, with open education systems, and unrestrained media . Western democracy allows criticism, so in our liberal (healthy) way we navel gaze by examining our own short-comings . Naturally we focus on what is recent - the two World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq . But christian countries have no monopoly on killing and destruction . There has been plenty of blood let by other cultures . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 333396 | 2005-03-13 21:11:00 | Errr . . . . . . what about Alexander The Great, the Roman conquests, Tamerlane, and Ghengis Kahn? Not to mention Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and the Hutu and Tutsi . Oh yes, and Mao and Stalin . We tend to think of Christianity as being a contributor to all wars . This is because Western nations (nominally christian) are the technology leaders, with open education systems, and unrestrained media . Western democracy allows criticism, so in our liberal (healthy) way we navel gaze by examining our own short-comings . Naturally we focus on what is recent - the two World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq . But christian countries have no monopoly on killing and destruction . There has been plenty of blood let by other cultures . Erroneous generalisation acknowledged on my part . Sometime ago, some libertarian told me that the most destructive regimes ever, in terms of lives directly lost, is a toss-up between Mao and Stalin . Neither were Christian, but as Bertrand Russell pointed out, Communism had all the makings of a religion in itself . |
vinref (6194) | ||
| 333397 | 2005-03-13 21:22:00 | Is the little info bite I read a while back true... In stating that more human lives have been lost to war during the last hundred years then in all wars prior, combined? If so then it makes the rampaging hoards of Genghis Kahn look a little weak…. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 333398 | 2005-03-13 21:33:00 | Is the little info bite I read a while back true... In stating that more human lives have been lost to war during the last hundred years then in all wars prior, combined? If so then it makes the rampaging hoards of Genghis Kahn look a little weak…. It would be very difficult to assemble any kind of acceptable proof for that statement, but I have read the same and it may not be too far wrong. Technology makes all the difference in the number of casualties in a war, plus a much higher population density of course. |
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