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Thread ID: 56151	2005-03-28 11:59:00	Crazy power hungry Aucklanders	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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339087	2005-03-29 03:59:00	Yay to nuke power... Modern nukes are nothing like the antiquated timebombs they were. ... I'd just like to point out that this is entirely seperate from the nukes@our ports debate Sooo, there are other intelligent beings here on PF1 besides Metla and I...! :D Unfortunately there are too many knee jerk reactions from the Greenies and many others. I understand the knee jerk, after all, Chernobyl was mighty scarey. But I am not clear on the cost of nuclear power, as cents per KWH. My guess is that it is still cheaper than oil and coal but more than hydro and wind. Now if only some efficient way could be found to harness wave energy...and to carry to power by underground DC lines... :o ;)	Strommer (42)
339088	2005-03-29 04:09:00	Hubbard should find out if the Alaskans took up the following offer. Interesting read. www.adn.com Village invited to test cheap, clean nuclear power Anchorage Daily News October 21st, 2003 A Japanese corporation wants to thrust the Interior community of Galena into international limelight by donating a new, unconventional electricity-generating plant that would light and heat the Yukon River village pollution-free for 30 years. ... Because of its design and small size, the Toshiba reactor can't overheat or melt down, he said, unlike what happened in the 1986 accident at Chernobyl that killed 30 people and spewed radiation across northern Europe.	Strommer (42)
339089	2005-03-29 04:21:00	Now if only some efficient way could be found to harness wave energy...and to carry to power by underground DC lines... :o ;) Allmost as you suggest we have enourous potentual to harness tidal energy by placing submersable turbines in the cook strait. By memory, a 20 metre turbine can produce up to 1.5 MW in predictable bursts of a few hours@a time. Banks of them can take significant load from our hydro and fossil fuel powered generaters. This can be done at the Wellington end as well, thus helping ease the problem of the overtaxed cook strait cable, which is another bottleneck in the system. Keep in mind too, the south may not have as much power spare to ship north as the last of CHCHs firepaces are taken out of use to keep our smog levels below the levels that our town was once infamous for. O yeah.... to echo the comment made some posts before about AKs problems not being exclusive, CHCH has a similar problem, and we are sure to see new lines and pylons powering our town in the next few years too! :D	personthingy (1670)
339090	2005-03-29 06:52:00	There is no reason they cant dig a ditch and chuck them in, other than being cheap and lazy.	Rob99 (151)
339091	2005-03-29 07:05:00	There is no reason they cant dig a ditch and chuck them in, other than being cheap and lazy.There is very good reasons..... the depth of the ditch and the cost of a reliable 400KV cable suitable for burial might make the project just a little hard on us all. Anyway, a large chunk of the proposed route IS underground, its only when it gets into highly rural areas, where there is the least effect that it is planned to be overhead on pylons. :groan:	personthingy (1670)
339092	2005-03-29 07:36:00	Nuke is the only real answer. What we do need though is controlled fusion, it will be cleaner than fission, leaving no nuclear waste. That should satisfy the greenies hopefully...no, then I don't think anything modern will satisfy them. I feel for the farmers too, if it was me in their shoes I would also not want power pylons in my back yard. But the reality is that for the sake of the country I will have to put up with it, and the consolation should lie with that fact. I'm pretty sure these power lines do have substations along the line tapping off power for the locals in the area, so they will benefit as well from an improved power grid.	BoboTheClown (5652)
339093	2005-03-29 08:39:00	These are Transmission lines and are not used for Distribution to local zone subs. Wrong voltage to "tap off", the cost of transforming down from 400 kV at zone sub level would be too high. It's an understandable NIMBY reaction from the landowners, and I guess we would all take the same position. But I cannot help but wonder if the reaction to the lines would be as severe if the alternative of nuclear was open for discussion. Also in response to personthingy above, the myth of a solar panel never recouping it's original creation energy requirements has been busted some time ago. It's the $ that are hard to recover.	godfather (25)
339094	2005-03-29 08:52:00	This thread is really a debate over the greater good. Should we repress (with compensation) the rights of individuals, in order to benefit the many. Is this really a matter of national interest? Personally, I think no. But politically, there are too many voters in Auckland and so the rights of individuals will be taken under the Public Works Act (or whatever the relevant statute is now). It may not make sense but neither does the fuel tax to build more roads in Auckland so more people can live there and drive more cars, thus needing even more roads................... In fairness, we need to keep a sense of proportion. Pylons are ugly but they are not as bad as having whole landscapes drowned for dams. Auckland is no economic powerhouse - and is unlikely to become one. No-ones fault. It is simply a nice enough large city.The wealth of NZ comes from the land and the sea. To which tourists are drawn, as a bonus.	Winston001 (3612)
339095	2005-03-29 09:16:00	Ah the Auckland thing again. Obviously a big project should be started that amputates Auckland from the rest of NZ, then it can be pushed out to sea and left on its own.	pctek (84)
339096	2005-03-29 09:40:00	What was it Spok said as he was dying behind that glass wall??? "The need of the many is greater than the need of the one" Or something similar. PJ	Poppa John (284)
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