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| Thread ID: 56151 | 2005-03-28 11:59:00 | Crazy power hungry Aucklanders | Strommer (42) | PC World Chat |
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| 339067 | 2005-03-28 22:15:00 | Tourism brings in Millions of dollars each year, who the heck wants to come here and look at the latest in pylon design marching across some of the most beautiful countryside in the world . Tourism actually brings in billions and farming even more billions . Auckland is not the economic power house, the provinces are . It's just that more people are concentrated there with more voting power . But Auckland still needs the power and I can't see the growth stopping . What truly viable alternative (and politically acceptable alternative) is there to power carried across the countryside on pylons? My feeling is that realistically those pylons will have to be erected but with some recognition and safeguards for property owners and I guess that this is really what's behind the organisers of the protests thinking . |
jcr1 (893) | ||
| 339068 | 2005-03-28 22:24:00 | There is an alternative, and that is a nuclear power station in the upper north island/Auckland region. Realistically that is unlikely to happen. Perhaps it should be rationally investigated and discussed however. |
godfather (25) | ||
| 339069 | 2005-03-28 22:40:00 | There is an alternative, and that is a nuclear power station in the upper north island/Auckland region. Realistically that is unlikely to happen. Perhaps it should be rationally investigated and discussed however. Exactly what I meant. But I thought that in PC paradise, which is NZ now, I shouldn't use the dreaded n.....nuke word or I might have the thought police after me :lol: |
jcr1 (893) | ||
| 339070 | 2005-03-28 22:42:00 | There is an alternative, and that is a nuclear power station in the upper north island/Auckland region. Realistically that is unlikely to happen. Perhaps it should be rationally investigated and discussed however. Here here,but they wont even allow nuclear powered ships in,where there head is,I wont say on a family show. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 339071 | 2005-03-28 23:16:00 | .......... The main problem is ............ Overpopulation. I have yet still to hear anyone 'in authority' mention pumped storage in conjunction with wind power. I just dont get it, can't they read, did all history die with NZED? It is a technology well established, I worked on instrumentation for one of the first at Cruachan in Scotland back in the 60s. Not all sites are suitable, but a golden opportunity has been lost forever in Upper Hutt using wind power and water storage with the "Twin Lakes" reservoirs, due to housing development on a nearby elevated plateau. The basic idea is that wind generated electricity is used to pump water to a high level reservoir. When the reservoir is full,and the wind is still blowing, the power is fed into the grid. When the wind drops the water from the upper reservoir is fed into water turbines at the lower reservoir. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 339072 | 2005-03-28 23:57:00 | Well, it is nearly 12 hours since I started this thread and I still cannot see any good alternatives to the power lines . Nuclear, wind, solar - these are power generators, so do not answer the question that I posed . JJJJJ said "What other public companies can walk in and use private properties as the please, just to help them increase their profits . " Public companies that are essential to the economy / to everyday living are, quite naturally, allowed to use private properties 'as they please' . This is my point: unless the farmers come up with a viable alternative, they are going to have to put up with the new power lines . Few, imho, would be adversely affected to a significant degree by cuts in tourism, spreading fertiliser, or whatever . Compensation they will get, but just how much will be the prickly point . BTW, I mentioned last night that NZ should probably go for nuclear power, and my friend (an organic-natural-environmental sort of bloke) went off his nut . :horrified Yeeeoww! He did not want to hear anything about the new technology that I read about in New Scientist magazine, which absolutely prevents a Chernobyl type melt down . But I cannot see NZ going for nuclear, at least for a loooong time, or unless the general population has to put up with regular brown outs / black outs . Coal is no good with the Kyoto carbon equation . So without giving an alternative to the power pylons, it seems the farmers are just a bunch of selfish hotheads who don't give a stuff about cutting energy to our country's main city . I wonder if any news media person, or politician, will have the guts to stand up and say so? |
Strommer (42) | ||
| 339073 | 2005-03-29 00:12:00 | It could also be argued that the JAFA's are selfish hotheads who don't give a stuff about the farmers down south. "I mean, who cares about the tourism value down there? It's south of the bombay hills!" Come live in Dunedin for a while in a leaky crusty old student flat where you can't *afford* heating, then go back to Auckland - I guarantee you wouldn't need heating, even in the middle of winter. :P |
Rugrats (6953) | ||
| 339074 | 2005-03-29 00:23:00 | I'm all for a nuclear power plant. | Metla (12) | ||
| 339075 | 2005-03-29 00:25:00 | Well, it is nearly 12 hours since I started this thread and I still cannot see any good alternatives to the power lines . Nuclear, wind, solar - these are power generators, so do not answer the question that I posed . Well yes and no Steve . Solar water heating reduces load, but as quite rightly pointed out, only when the sun shines . Solar power is a total waste of time as it takes more to make the damn things than they will ever put out, and the storage of power for when you need it involves batterys that are far from enviromentally friendly . Wind power would help slightly, but only if a good spot in the far north could be found, and like solar, its only good when the weather is right . Tidal = huge potentual, but thats only practical in the cook strait, and still leaves the problem of shipping power north for AK One alternative is a line on the ocean floor direct from the lower south to AK . some one proposed it at the cost of a few billion, and so far it seems the only practical alternative, other than load reduction . Load reduction, ie: greater efficiancy would help delay the need for the 400k lines, but most people, including enviromentalists and farmers realy cant be bothered . :groan: |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 339076 | 2005-03-29 00:31:00 | I'm all for a nuclear power plant.Probably the best place for a nuke is in Taranaki, so it can take over from the gas plants that are fast running dry. When the burning of fossil fuels in that area stops theres going to be a shipload of pylons just waiting to move a big hunk of power to the rest of the country, and not just AK. :D |
personthingy (1670) | ||
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