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Thread ID: 55999	2005-03-24 19:36:00	Horsing around, job vacancy at PressF1	Renmoo (66)	PC World Chat

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337653	2005-03-25 09:15:00	Yeah, sorry Edward but I don't agree. Perhaps of course, that is just because I haven't been banned and you have. But even so, I have no problem with the moderation of this forum.	george12 (7)
337654	2005-03-25 10:25:00	Still, it's not like this is the biggest forum around, yet they still act like anyone and everyone is just a banee (Is that even a word?) waiting to happen The "size" of the forum is irrelevant . It's the environment that counts . I challenge you to find any forum, anywhere on this planet that has more than 50 members where everybody agress with everything that everyone else says and mods never ruffles feathers by banning someone for being an ass . Find this nirvana, and show us how its done . Jen and Chill get nothing for their efforts and do it because they want to see the forum continue to be a good place to be . In a perfect world it wouldn't be necessary but we all know that it is on this forum . From where I sit for every "false positive" as you describe it there is a substantial more abuse, nastiness and idiocy that gets rightly stomped on . Plus, the current system of tempory bans is a darn sight better than handing out perm bans for all the time . And frankly, when you job is to look at threads that people complain about, and keep an eye out for trouble, yes, you do start looking at people as potential "bannees" . It is one of the things that makes it so unpleasant to have to moderation in the first place .	Biggles (121)
337655	2005-03-25 10:37:00	.....Hmmm....not bad for a guy who generally likes everyone and has to be pushed way past the point of no return before taking any action..... Oh yeah, I'm the next mod people, I have even had the t-shirt printed up. Muhahahahahaaha.	Metla (12)
337656	2005-03-25 11:12:00	Couldn't agree with you more, Bruce. And I endorse personthingy's thanks to Jen & Chill for the excellent job they do for no payment. I suggest their (very) few critics not only wouldn't volunteer that huge amount of their own free time for nothing, but most of them have no idea what an enormous tie that must be in terms of their personal life. It gives "always on" a meaning I doubt those whose only commitment is homework have even thought of. Our forum's lucky to have these two. So far I've certainly not seen any critics who have better credentials for the job...	Laura (43)
337657	2005-03-25 11:27:00	Jen and Chill get nothing for their efforts and do it because they want to see the forum continue to be a good place to be. In a perfect world it wouldn't be necessary but we all know that it is on this forum. So, Mr. Bruce, when or are you going to get more moderators to look after PressF1? Or 2 is more than enough? Isn't NZ PC World related to PressF1? Are they looking for someone to fill in any job vacancy? Cheers :p	Renmoo (66)
337658	2005-03-25 11:38:00	Why am I reminded of my comments about homework?	Laura (43)
337659	2005-03-25 20:38:00	The "size" of the forum is irrelevant. It's the environment that counts. I challenge you to find any forum, anywhere on this planet that has more than 50 members where everybody agress with everything that everyone else says and mods never ruffles feathers by banning someone for being an ass. Find this nirvana, and show us how its done. I'm sorry, but where does this come into this? I never said that, stop twisting my words. Of corse it's hard to do that. This is the internet for gods sake. People will have differences. What I actually said was this isn't the largest forum memberwise, but it has the largest ban:alive ratio I think I've ever seen. Anyway, I think I've found a cantidate for the >50 member no bitchfights challenge. But I won't post a link, as I might get banned ;) Jen and Chill get nothing for their efforts and do it because they want to see the forum continue to be a good place to be. In a perfect world it wouldn't be necessary but we all know that it is on this forum. Agreed, fora need moderation. It's the way they work. However, and I'm not saying that it's happening here, I've seen overly nazi moderators eventually destroy forums because they ban people for the smallest offense, and either most of the new members are banned, which causes them to leave, or people are too frightened to register for fear of being smashed by the staff. From where I sit for every "false positive" as you describe it there is a substantial more abuse, nastiness and idiocy that gets rightly stomped on. Plus, the current system of tempory bans is a darn sight better than handing out perm bans for all the time. That's nice, but what if the false positives are genuine posters (IE not set bent spammers) who just slip up on their first post? It can happen, and they get banned. They log in, get an error, get dissapointed and move to another forum. Even if the ban is only 24 hours, it'll be a first impression on the newbie, and will be like a pernament ban, as most will come back. However I'm with you that temp bans is better than a perm ban, however what about the other system that most other boards use? And frankly, when you job is to look at threads that people complain about, and keep an eye out for trouble, yes, you do start looking at people as potential "bannees". It is one of the things that makes it so unpleasant to have to moderation in the first place. I know, but if newbies get on the bannee list, then you should start wondering about the state of the forum, and what's caused it to be this way. I suggest their (very) few critics not only wouldn't volunteer that huge amount of their own free time for nothing, but most of them have no idea what an enormous tie that must be in terms of their personal life. It gives "always on" a meaning I doubt those whose only commitment is homework have even thought of. Laura, please don't assume. It make an ASS of U and ME. I myself happen to moderate some boards the same size as this. And not once have I felt that a 24 ban is a use everyday kind of punishment. Editing, Locking, Warning works. After 3 warnings, then a ban is in order. But banning people for "everyday" crimes is excessive. Yes, I do know how it ties in with your life, and aside from spending a little extra time at a forum, there isn't that much that you sacrafice.	Edward (31)
337660	2005-03-25 22:23:00	Agreed, fora need moderation . It's the way they work . However, and I'm not saying that it's happening here, I've seen overly nazi moderators eventually destroy forums because they ban people for the smallest offense, and either most of the new members are banned, which causes them to leave, or people are too frightened to register for fear of being smashed by the staff . As you are saying that this doesn't happen here, then why bring it up in the first place? This is just clouding your reasoning . Not sure what sort of place you frequent that bans most of the new users, surely that is self defeating? That's nice, but what if the false positives are genuine posters (IE not set bent spammers) who just slip up on their first post? It can happen, and they get banned . They log in, get an error, get dissapointed and move to another forum . Even if the ban is only 24 hours, it'll be a first impression on the newbie, and will be like a pernament ban, as most will come back . However I'm with you that temp bans is better than a perm ban, however what about the other system that most other boards use?So if someone new slips ups on their first post, and asks for Warez, posts links to graphically offensive images, abuses someone etc even after just reading and agreeing to the rules of the forum, then they should be treated differently from someone with 50 posts say? The rules appply to everyone, whether first time poster or long standing member . I'm confused about what you are calling "false positives" . As Mods we get to see the bigger picture at times, which you as a user will be unaware of - this may lead you to think a ban is a "false positive"? Perhaps you felt your 24 hr ban was a false positve? Not sure how you could possible think that considering what you posted . Telling someone they were pricks and to stuff off this forum doesn't come under the "keep it friendly or don't post it rule", and was a well deserved ban . If you continue to just give out warnings, then this is ineffective . Short term bans work well . They give a person time to cool off before hitting the "post" button again But of course Mods are humans, and not robots, so we will get some things wrong but we try our very best not to . I know, but if newbies get on the bannee list, then you should start wondering about the state of the forum, and what's caused it to be this way . If newbies get on the banned list, then that only shows they can't read or can be bothered following the rules like everyone else has to . Being a newbie isn't an excuse . It is caused by people who feel they can do what they like despite having guidelines on what is acceptable or not . I myself happen to moderate some boards the same size as this . And not once have I felt that a 24 ban is a use everyday kind of punishment . Editing, Locking, Warning works . After 3 warnings, then a ban is in order . But banning people for "everyday" crimes is excessive . I am interested what this public forum is, School forums do not count as they are a completely different kettle of fish and cannot be compared . This forum has the same environment as this? Please PM me with the URL as I am curious now . Yes, I do know how it ties in with your life, and aside from spending a little extra time at a forum, there isn't that much that you sacrafice . LMAO It only takes one person hell bent on being an ass to create a bit of work for the Mods, which can be time consuming . Then there is the personal abuse we get for our efforts (both on and off forum) . But we do this work willing in our free time because like Bruce mentioned, it would be sad to see this forum degrade into a place where people cannot get help for their computer problems due to riddicule, abuse or having their thread hijacked over inhouse fighting . This is also commerical forum where such behaviour would reflect badly upon IDG for its readers . You can't make everyone happy nor be 100% perfect yourself - such is life . We just do our best .	Jen (38)
337661	2005-03-25 22:53:00	How can I get this across? I know you and chill do your best. all I'm saying is the banning instantly is a little overreactive, and there are a few inconsintancies. How did the thread deteriorate to this?	Edward (31)
337662	2005-03-25 23:08:00	Gawd, been away for a few months and obviously been missing out on a lot of fun Yes, there is a life outside PressF1	Baldy (26)
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