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Thread ID: 56151	2005-03-28 11:59:00	Crazy power hungry Aucklanders	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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339057	2005-03-28 11:59:00	Re: the farmers who angrily protest the proposed 400 KV power pylons... I just don't get it - if the new power lines do not get built, then what are Aucklander's supposed to do... switch off lights and water heating? :rolleyes: Buried cables are not technically feasible, so I have heard. Have the protestors offered practical alternatives? I had a discussion about this topic with a friend this evening and he claimed the government should install solar water heating on residentail homes since this would cut power consumption by 40%, but I do not believe it would be a 40% cut to the national or a city's power, only per household. Anyone have the facts? Another person this evening said Aucklanders should pay a lot more for electricity since this would reduce consumption; this is a sore point here in the Wairarapa because we have the nation's highest price for electricity usage.	Strommer (42)
339058	2005-03-28 12:23:00	Re: the farmers who angrily protest the proposed 400 KV power pylons... I just don't get it - if the new power lines do not get built, then what are Aucklander's supposed to do... switch off lights and water heating? Actually, pylons and the rest of the infrastructure is mostly for future growth, but may also make the current supply more reliable. If they are not built, growth in Auckland would slow down and maybe stop, and the standard of living there would decidely worsen. And mark my words. When we Aucklanders get angry, you will know pain and suffering, you over-subsidized tariff-protected slack-jawed hill-billy savages! Go the Blues! Go Banksy!	vinref (6194)
339059	2005-03-28 13:04:00	Go the Blues! They're going all right. Have they got to the bottom yet though, they could say hello to Banksy when they get there :rolleyes:	Murray P (44)
339060	2005-03-28 13:08:00	Part of the reason for the protest is because farmers aren't getting enough back for the disruption to their land (tourism value falls through the ****ter when you have 70-meter-tall 400 KV powerlines running across an otherwise-epic vista, crop harvesting/seeding/fertilising is a pain in the ass around pylon bases, not to mention disruption at construction time) and what are the farmers getting back for the current plan? Not much. Now, my plan would be to deport half of Auckland to Australia. :D ;)	Rugrats (6953)
339061	2005-03-28 18:47:00	So if we believe Vinref, the Waikato farmers have to subsidise the Jafa's power? What other public companies can walk in and use private properties as the please, just to help them increase their profits. Already we are about to pay more for our petrol to pay for Auckland's roading. Hasn't Auckland started taking water from the Waikato river to drink.I like that. But I wonder if they know how much sewerage goes into that river. Just wondering what happened to "User Pays" Perhaps after the next election , and a change of government, Jaffaville will be forced to pay for what they get. I'm a bit bemused about another thing that's recently happened up there. After running for sixty years, Western Springs Speedway has been forced to close down because a few Jaffa's don't like the noise!!!! Anyway , back to the pylons. My solution. Put the line of pylons on Maori land,exclusively. Then the rest of NZ can sit back and laugh for the next hundred years while the power companies and the Maoris negotiate.	JJJJJ (528)
339062	2005-03-28 20:40:00	I heard that Auckland supposedly will be going "smokefree" in the next few years. That means that will leave the majority of Javas only one option for heating during the winter, i.e. electricity. With heating elements (heaters and hot water cylinders) being the main power consumers in a house that will mean a major increase in power demand, so rather than a 40% reduction I can only see a 100% usage increase looming. So where now? Shall we cripple the economic giant of NZ for the sake of pleasing a few farmers who don't want their view spoiled by some power lines?	BoboTheClown (5652)
339063	2005-03-28 20:58:00	Already we are about to pay more for our petrol to pay for Auckland's roading. I'm a bit bemused about another thing that's recently happened up there. After running for sixty years, Western Springs Speedway has been forced to close down because a few Jaffa's don't like the noise!!!! As a Java I see it differently about the roading, around 1/4 to a 1/3 of the road tax payers live in Auckland, but we don't see the same percentage of the tax money spent on the roads here. It takes around 1 to 1.5 hours to do a 25 km trip from the North Shore into the city by car, and not any quicker by bus. The main problem is that most traffic bypasses the city onwards to Mt Wellington etc., so the present bus/train service to serve these commuters is just about nonexistant. As for the Speedway, I just don't understand these people. They knew the speedway track was there, why did they buy there then? It's the same story with Whenupai Airport, the people living around it are fighting it becoming a commercial airport. Hey, they bought in the area when it was an operating air field, knowing fully that there will be aircraft noise they will have to put up with.	BoboTheClown (5652)
339064	2005-03-28 21:06:00	Drive up to Auckland and the pylons already marching through the country side are an eyesore and now they want to put another line of even bigger ones in ~ Yuck. Tourism brings in Millions of dollars each year, who the heck wants to come here and look at the latest in pylon design marching across some of the most beautiful countryside in the world. Solar power panels on every building in Auckland would remove the need for pylons till the wind power/ tide power systems are built in their own backyard. Grow up Auckland, the rest of the country is fed up wet nursing you. My 2 cents.	Sue (33)
339065	2005-03-28 21:34:00	Drive up to Auckland and the pylons already marching through the country side are an eyesore and now they want to put another line of even bigger ones in ~ Yuck. As I understand it, when the new ones go up, the old ones will be taken down. Could be wrong.	craigb (4884)
339066	2005-03-28 21:41:00	Solar power panels on every building in Auckland would remove the need for pylons till the wind power/ tide power systems are built in their own backyard. Grow up Auckland, the rest of the country is fed up wet nursing you. My 2 cents. Sadly, the solar power option is not the simple answer. Unless you install a full battery backed DG system, installing solar panels only mitigates the peak demand in the middle of a fine day, and does nothing for the huge peak loads (for which a new transmission line is needed) outside these times. At a cost (excluding battery banks) of between $12,000 and $18,000 per kW for solar PV arrays and inverter, very few would be installed. A typical house would need 2 - 5 kW to be effective. Likewise for wind power, unless you have a huge geographical spread of installations, (and that requires transmission lines) the availability of the power is considerably less than 100%	godfather (25)
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