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| Thread ID: 56345 | 2005-04-02 12:32:00 | TEENAGE SUICIDE | Princess (7275) | PC World Chat |
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| 340949 | 2005-04-17 23:10:00 | personthingy, I'm really sorry about your friend, that's a tragic loss. When you say "these groups" who are you talking about? is it AA and NA or charity groups in general helping those with drug/depression/homelessness problems? Because there ARE alot of good groups out there who are doing the work that the government really should be doing, without much funding, and helping so many people. For instance, if the youth shelter I am staying at now had not been so helpful in letting me stay and helping me with every aspect of getting me back on my feet I would be still living on the streets now or perhaps have committed suicide properly. |
rat_chic (7785) | ||
| 340950 | 2005-04-17 23:28:00 | personthingy, I'm really sorry about your friend, that's a tragic loss . That was many years ago, and the impression it leaves is one of mistrust to those who are in a position of power over the vulnerable, something my friend certainly was . When you say "these groups" who are you talking about? is it AA and NA or charity groups in general helping those with drug/depression/homelessness problems?I'm mainly talking about NA, although AA was there at first till they referred her on, she was not an alcoholic . As stated above, i don't have much trust for anyone who chooses a position of power over the vulnerable . Motives of power for its own sake can attract the wrong sort to "help" people get life "right" . Checks are needed, and it appeared there weren't enough checks, if any, on my friends sponsor . And hey . rat_chic . . its great to see this becoming a far more international forum! |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 340951 | 2005-04-17 23:40:00 | thats pretty crap if just anybody can be a sponsor, and like screw somebody's life so much they committ suicide. irresponsible. I also hate those church organisations who will help people (by giving you a bed if you're homeless, a meal, counselling etc.) but preach the gospel to them so much that it turns people away. Like there are some youth shelters I've heard about, all with youth under 18, and they make them go to church on the weekends and do bible study and stuff if they want to stay there. so it's like "we'll help you get off the streets, get off drugs etc. but only if you convert to christianity" I'm a christian and all for people getting into the religion, but only if THEY want to. I think that those church charity groups that force kids to convert are abusing THEIR position of power also, and it's quite easy to do with vunerable youth who are desparate for help with their life. Many streets kids I know would now rather stay on the streets than go to a shelter because of the reputation of these groups. |
rat_chic (7785) | ||
| 340952 | 2005-04-18 00:43:00 | I totally agree with you there. You heard the story of the Cross and the Switchblade? I am keen to see people come to Christ, but only of their own accord, not because it has been forced down their throats. That then creates a false religion for many who simply talk the talk needed to get themselves a roof over their heads... And thats sad. I would rather lead a good life, by example, and preach the good news that way rather than bible-bashing. Of course there is a time and a place for everything, personally I feel that a little bit of discussion in those places would be healthy, but not the pushing of it into people as you have mentioned |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 340953 | 2005-04-18 02:09:00 | that's summed it up perfectly! :thumbs: informal unforced sharing of what jesus can do is great, but forcing the gospel does more harm than good. cross and the switchblade? :confused: personthingy - you can't get any more international than australia from new zealand!!! :D |
rat_chic (7785) | ||
| 340954 | 2005-04-18 07:23:00 | personthingy - you can't get any more international than australia from new zealand!!! :D Hey we got people from North and South Island in this forum! :D |
personthingy (1670) | ||
| 340955 | 2005-04-18 14:48:00 | I was not a TEENAGE suicide but have had 3 Depressions in my life and applaud all the constructive replies,........my experience was both related to myself and what I have since read namely if you have at least three radical changes in your life example...Your Mother dies......you shift place of residence...you fall out with a very good friend...(example only and you may have many other diferent situations ) can lead to a depression where suicide may be an alternative.......in these circumstances the support of a wife or friend can help immeasurably.....so if you are feeling down and out confess to a good friend or school Counsellor as they are highly trained to help you..and some of them are A++++ The ones mentioned earlier are bad examples of their ability.....Hope this may help.... | olldaddy78 (6546) | ||
| 340956 | 2005-04-18 22:36:00 | yeah i have to agree there are some good school counsellors out there. i just had a bad experience with the one at my school, and most of my friends (streeties) have as well. it's not so easy to tell your friends about what's happening (as you probly know). i didn't tell the people at my church i was a streetie until well after i started living on the streets, and that was only because i got into a shelter and they need someone to contact for a background check, and i don't want my family to know im on the streets. and then the people at the church didn't do anything for me at all. luckily i got into a youth shelter soon after. once, i also told a camp leader i trusted on a church camp (with disadvantaged youth), and he rang my mum, who told him that it's all crap and that i can come home (not true, she just doesn't want to admit it), and he told me he didn't believe me, and sent me home. that made me not want to tell anyone or trust anyone, and he was a youth worker! so after that i went on the streets. so in my experience, i just got screwed by telling people. but i don't want to offer bad advice or anything. i think that if you have the opportunity to tell a friend you should. if they're a good friend they'll belive u and help u. |
rat_chic (7785) | ||
| 340957 | 2005-04-19 05:33:00 | For sure there are bad people to tell..... Ive got a mate who has a big head and is always ready to dish out advice that is usually quite off-key. Some people have very warped ideas about helping people in that sort of state, others just dont want to admit that this sort of thing could be happening. Sadly I have nothing constructive to say except there is always two sides to the coin. Some people are great and will help you, whilst others (like one of my friends) only end up making things worse. In his case he constantly blows his own trumpet "I helped XYZ last week who was suicidal. I called their parents and they're keeping them home from school now to watch over them". All very well and good when the parents are the reason for the suicidal/depressive tendancies..... All I can say is that for people that are in that situation, keep on hoping. Like the Good Chatlotte Lyrics - Hold On! Life is worth living, just press on :) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 340958 | 2006-06-20 07:33:00 | That song really helped me. i listen 2 it all the time when im feeling down. iv had depression and i cut my wrists so yeah | chick4eva (7786) | ||
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