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Thread ID: 56345	2005-04-02 12:32:00	TEENAGE SUICIDE	Princess (7275)	PC World Chat

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340939	2005-04-15 07:51:00	Steve L, If we must talk about music, then we also must see it from different perspectives of what may make other people think this or that. This violence that is blamed on "devil music" in which it was referred to, is another media buzz. It was religion that turned this around like it was their religion that turned witches into "lovers of the devil", yet in these days and ages, everyone is still getting drowned or burned on the stake one way or another but at least some people are willing to accept it. Now I don't mind religion, but what it has brought is a lot of made up stories and confusement. If people choose to believe, then that's their own choice and I respect it, but religion spreads like a virus too, that some people do take parts of it in, while others can see through it. There's a few good things that I like about some religions, but other than that, I choose to ignore it. OK, that's one way of looking at this, there's many other ways like... I don't like pop music, you make me listen to it long enough, I'm bound to do something I may later regret. Now looking at this, I like Metal, but is this the reason why I would act this way? Most likely not, I can't stand Pop music and when I hear it, that's how I feel. Also I am more into the sounds than the songs, I prefer hearing the drums, guitars, bass just ripping it up than actually listening to the lyrics, yet the sound from Pop triggers me in a different way. Music triggers different parts of your mind, some you can relate to others, you just don't want to. If you notice some people more into Rap, RnB, Pop, Metal, etc... you notice they can overreact to it, by actually enjoying it (ever seen people who do overreact? it's quite common), maybe even some form of dance, etc. If headbanging looks aggressive, then imagine how many people who see it this way are going to spread this buzz and imagine how much of this gets lost in translation. Headbanging is it's own style, as is Swing is it's own style as is other dance factors... Why not accept the fact that it is different? Those who choose to understand the lyrics, and those who choose to feel the music, each act differently. I never use to know names of bands/songs that my fiance listened to but I knew I had heard the sound of it before. Only recently have I been turned into taking lyrics in but the lyrics are telling me to do this or that, if that were the case, maybe we can blame fantasy/fiction books for the same imaginative blame. Now music in any form, can make you feel better or worse, I know in the states I use to get in, I use to blast music just to drown out everything and anything, nothing but a room full of noise that I liked, kind of like your own word without being disturbed, I know my parents didn't like it but they too need to understand the difference, they've finally accepted my behaviour after they heard my songs. I don't blame the music on any of my tendancies to act violent or misbehave, just how I choose my life. That's the person I became from living this life and being able to step back and see it from different angles. It starts off as something small, but it grows with you, no music caused me to be this way, it's far more deeper than this and probably far more harder to explain, least we all know it's easier to blame something than to resolve it. As for the research/statistics on this, maybe they are right, maybe it is the cause of this, but in the end, we choose what to believe and it's these beliefs that start this cycle all over again. KK	Kame (312)
340940	2005-04-15 08:39:00	Depression can be the result of two causes: Chemical -........ Psychiatric - ..... Prozac has had some bad press and there are newer formulations which work better. Prozac can turn an anxious depressed person into someone who feels slightly numb and simply doesn't care. And still commit suicide. But nevertheless it has been of huge benefit to many.All i know is the peak of my depression, which was about 2 years back was very much a reflection of my circumstances. I was so desperate i ended up a sickness beneficiary, seeing a doctor who quickly threw me on prozac as an easy alternative to any dealing with the situation. ( i regret every visit i have ever made to ANY doctor) I took myself of prozac just after i cut myself a set of keys for a friends truck before i had sought permission. It made sense to me seeing i borrowed the truck so much, for work we were doing together in the formative days of what is now MSC, my sound hire company. The inconvenient little cog that should have stepped in to the thought process and said.."hey check it out with my friend FIRST" simply didn't connect 'cause i was on prozac and.................. That was so unlike me. The cog finally did connect, some hours later when i realised i should at least retrospectively ask permission, i realised that apart from depression things were seriously wrong with how i was thinking. Goodbye prozac My doctor was fuming, but that decision was step one of taking back control of my life, and removing the external influence that was feeding my depression. I put an end to the relationship that was destroying me. This went far from smoothly. Our grow room of course became my grow room once the police became involved, and between that, an assault charge, and a couple of pounds of pot, things got very messy in the legal sense. 16 months in Paparua prison was a WELCOME relief after the crap that my former relationship had been. It was a far safer environment. Anyway, thats all history, and i am so glad to be out, safe from my ex, and thriving by following my dreams. :D	personthingy (1670)
340941	2005-04-15 09:33:00	16 months in Paparua prison was a WELCOME relief after the crap that my former relationship had been . It was a far safer environment . :D Thankyou for your honesty . It sounds like your external experiences contributed to the depression and you had to face some extreme steps to get out . I agree that your doc shouldn't have just relied on Prozac . In fact I'm suprised because doctors are supposed to try tricyclics first as well as push you towards counselling .	Winston001 (3612)
340942	2005-04-16 02:16:00	From talking to people I know (mostly streeties) about depression I know that in Australia there is lots of people who are getting simple put on prozac and turned away from the mental health system. We don't have enough mental health professionals to deal with the demand on the mental health system in oz. So many streeties have mental health problems, especially depression, and many of my friends have sought help for their suicidal depression through the public mental health system. Nearly all of them were assess by a doctor (not psychiatrist) after turning up at a clinic, then given prescriptions for prozac and sent on their way. MANY OF THEM ARE NOW ADDICTED TO THE DRUG AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH IS WORSE THAN BEFORE THEY SOUGHT HELP. It's just riddiculous. I know alot of people with depression, and I don't know anybody who has been helped in the long term by prozac. And seeing as counselling is not covered under medicare in Australia, people who want it can't access it. I tried to access counselling through the kids helpline (who said I would need face to face counselling, as I was getting suicidal at that time), and they gave me some phone numbers of the salvos, lifeline etc. I rung them all (about four counselling centres, and the only free ones in brisbane) and they were all full. So what are people supposed to do? If you don't have any money, and you're suicidal, you can take prozac, or do nothing. The rich are the ones who get help, and the streeties and poor people who often need it more (it's true), are the ones who are screwed by the health system. A couple of weeks ago I was cutting my arm, now even though I'm staying at a youth shelter and not on the streets nobody has offered me counselling or anything. Church is what has gotten me this far.	rat_chic (7785)
340943	2005-04-16 08:05:00	It is useful to consider that depression can be caused by repressed anger. So try to think who or what caused the anger. It may have been a few years ago, it might be every day. Understanding that is a really positive step. The other thing to think about is that anger is personal. We cannot buy anger, make it, or catch it from someone else. It is a purely personal emotion. So when someone or something makes us angry, we are really doing it to ourselves. We allow whatever the other person is doing to produce an anger response in our own bodies. And in doing so we pass power to that other person. This results in loss of self esteem, self respect, and guilt. If you can understand that the other person is no different or important than you, and that you can choose not to be angry, then you are well on the way to good mental health.	Winston001 (3612)
340944	2005-04-16 09:28:00	two of my friends have tried commting suicide on multiple occassions, ive thoguht abou it, people asume everything can be so great, everytthing can be worse, its called life outies codex	Codex (3761)
340945	2005-04-16 12:37:00	winston can u seriously say that YOU always choose to get angry? thats like saying "nobody can make you do anything". nobody wants to lose self asteem or anything, but you can't help feeling angry sometimes. it's good in theory to say that you simply choose to be angry, but i don't think it's that way in reality.	rat_chic (7785)
340946	2005-04-16 23:10:00	. . . . . . . . . . . . . but you can't help feeling angry sometimes . it's good in theory to say that you simply choose to be angry, but i don't think it's that way in reality . We have some control . We have control over the thought process that may wind us up . This statement would seem somewhat weak at times, but does apply to those times when people linger on "O what an *****/bastard" type thoughts to the point were we wind ourselves up, even if the "bastard" or situation is not currently with us . Thats when it's "deep breath, move on" time . :) Sure that might be far easier said than done BUT when it can be done it saves on a lot of personal grief, as well as equipping us far better to deal with whatever or whoever is pissing us off . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And of course there is also informal suicide that doesn't make the official stats . I'm not talking about people who directly act to shut down their body (slashed wrists, pills, hanging, etc) but people who take enormous risks for the hell of it . Perhaps that sheds a little light on This behaviour? ( . pcworld . co . nz/showthread . php?t=56113" target="_blank">forums . pcworld . co . nz) Perhaps it explains a lot of behaviour where people don't care if they, or those close to them live or die? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There's also cases where councilors leap on the weakness of people like vultures, and push them over the edge . I remember a few years ago losing a friend i had not long before met this way . My friend was 20ish She wasn't particularly depressed, but did have manic tendencies . in lay-mans terms she was up and down a bit . She wasn't greatly unstable but excepted the label as she did with most labels that suggested she had problems . It's probably good to point out that she was the artistic creative type . I think her only serious problem was a deep lack of confidence . One of her quirks was when she had had a bad day she would raid the fridge . and my god could she eat . If ****** was returning home from a bad day, kiss half the content of the fridge goodbye! Her eating was not "the munchies" or anything drug related, nor anything beyond what is mentioned . She wasn't bulimic, nor was she overweight . She was a strong solid but not flabby build . I gave her a massage once when she was stressed and tence . I was surprised how quietly muscular she was for a female and someone who didn't work hard or actively exercise . The point being her "problem" certainly wasn't reflected in her overall physical health . The trouble began when someone told her how "bad" her "problem" was . She ended up in the care of well meaning Narcotics Anonymous people . Narcotics Anonymous deal with drug and issues other than alcohol, but work in a ways similar to Alcoholics Anonymous . They use the infamous "Hi i'm ******, and i'm an alcohol/junkie/binge-eater/really-bad-person" technique . NA still seem and odd group to jump in as ****** didn't do any drugs, even coffee, yet she soon had a sponsor to help her deal with her "problem" . The sponsor quickly began to run her life . I remember turning up at her flat with a mutual friend and the dogs in the old HQ Holden and taking her to the beach . We went to Taylors mistake, a fairly quiet spot close to central CHCH where we could sit with the dogs running around us and even contemplate getting wet in the ocean . We had a great time . It was simply one of those natural wholesome healthy times that life should be full of, not that it was analysed like that at the time . The next day wasn't the best for ******, and she sought comfort from her sponsor, whose solution was that ****** was no longer allowed to go to the beach with us on Sundays, as being up meant risking an equivalent down . In short ****** was not allowed to enjoy herself, even if there were no drugs or vices or problems because her sponsor had decided that happy = fun = dangerous = bad = unhappyness . Her sponsor could use similar logic to prove beyond dought that black is white . After a while ****** submitted to the sponsor and her sposors cult completely . She moved into a half way house for people needing help from AA, NA etc . There were people there who didn't see too good these days cause of the ol' meths drinking habit, and various barely surviving deros and stuff . Not long after that ****** was found hanging from the rafters in her upstairs bedroom . I FULLY BELIEVE THE INCOMPETENT WANNABE DO-GOODER PHILOSOPHY OF THESE GROUPS MAY CONTRIBUTE TO MANY MANY YOUNG SUICIDES . I WOULD NOT HAVE LOST MY FRIEND WITHOUT THEIR "HELP" .	personthingy (1670)
340947	2005-04-17 00:50:00	winston can u seriously say that YOU always choose to get angry? thats like saying "nobody can make you do anything". nobody wants to lose self asteem or anything, but you can't help feeling angry sometimes. it's good in theory to say that you simply choose to be angry, but i don't think it's that way in reality. Fair comment. It can be hard at first. And you have to continually remind yourself that you don't need to feel anger because of the actions/words of another person. It is quite a mind altering change but there is a sense of freedom when you achieve it. "When we hate our enemies, we are giving them power over us: power over our sleep, our appetites, our blood pressure, our health, and our happiness. Our enemies would dance with joy if only they knew how they were worrying us, lacerating us, and getting even with us! Our hate is not hurting them at all, but our hate is turning our own days and nights into a hellish turmoil. -Dale Carnegie" Do a Google on anger.	Winston001 (3612)
340948	2005-04-17 01:13:00	meh....You don't have an anger problem if you are consciously able to control it.Infact its not or wasn't even anger.	Metla (12)
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