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| Thread ID: 56679 | 2005-04-12 09:50:00 | Blatantly racist | Peterj116 (6762) | PC World Chat |
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| 344193 | 2005-04-15 04:17:00 | ... I'm sure the amounts donated in "corporate welfare" vastly outweigh the sums involved in the Treaty settlements ... In 15 years, the Treaty settlements have amounted to about $750 million. Less than one frigate. Or a bunch of armoured personnel carriers. |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 344194 | 2005-04-15 04:23:00 | application forms from www.dia.govt.nz. Should be a citzen in 8 months time. My 40th annniversay in this country. Thanks for that manxman(TT). Been here since 59,must look into it. ;) |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 344195 | 2005-04-15 04:36:00 | Actually the TT stood for "Tungsten T" (my second PDA, now have a Harrier), then "Tiger Tank" (Playing Wargames for 30+ years), now "Twin Turbo" (my car). However the ManxmanTT (www.motobykz.co.uk) looks like an interesting bike. |
KiwiTT_NZ (233) | ||
| 344196 | 2005-04-15 04:54:00 | Correct me if I am wrong,but didn't you say you don't agree with them,but if you were one,you would do the same? Pretty much. :p here we go... "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." Francis Scott Fitzgerald Muhahahahaha. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 344197 | 2005-04-15 05:14:00 | Learning a second language enhances brain function. The mental exercise of comparing and translating words stimulates the neo-cortex which works more quickly and more cleverly. Certainly does. Last year I decided to attend Te Wananga-o-Raukawa and did an IT Diploma. As part of that course, there was a requirement to learn Te Reo. Was hard, certainly a challenge, but was rewarding, in the fact I will be able to teach my baby daughter in conjunction with my partner how to speak Te Reo |
Myth (110) | ||
| 344198 | 2005-04-15 05:35:00 | I'm lost on this. Maybe someone could enighten me. Dictionary.com defines a treaty as: 1. A formal agreement between two or more states, as in reference to terms of peace or trade. 2. The document in which such an agreement is set down. 3. A contract or agreement. Synonyms: accord, alliance, arrangement, bargain, bond, cartel, charter, compact, concord, concordat, contract, convention, covenant, deal, entente, league, negotiation, pact, reconciliation, sanction, settlement, understanding. So given all of that, isn't the term "treaty negotiations" redundant? If a Treaty was signed in 1840, doesn't that suggest that an "agreement" was reached? That is, all negotiations have finished & the parties have come to an understanding? If that's the case, why do we have a Minister of Treaty Negotiations and why are we paying compensation when an agreement was already reached between the two parties? I'm no History student, so I'm probably way off the mark here, but my guess, without reading the Treaty, the text of which I have on another computer, is that the Maori & Pakeha agreed to share the land. The settlers would have use of (I'm sure not all) of the land & in return, Maori would have all rights & privilages of British citizens. Sounds pretty fair to me. Must have sounded pretty fair to them, too, because a number of Chiefs signed it. A good Treaty, given that their health & lifestyle as been greatly improved with white settlement (apart from the odd disease here & there) and the settlers were able to make better use of productive land (apart from the odd raping-of-resources here & there) If the Maori feel that they were given a raw deal, then return all of the modern benefits that they have received & they can go back to their old way of life. |
Peterj116 (6762) | ||
| 344199 | 2005-04-15 06:41:00 | If the Maori feel that they were given a raw deal, then return all of the modern benefits that they have received & they can go back to their old way of life. Fair enough Peter. But you realise we'd have to go back to Scotland, Wales, Dalmatia etc and give them back all of the land and sea. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 344200 | 2005-04-15 06:44:00 | ......and how would we resurect all their dead? | Metla (12) | ||
| 344201 | 2005-04-15 09:00:00 | Read it again. I'm not proposing time travel. I'm talking about lifestyle and quality of life "A good Treaty, given that their health & lifestyle as been greatly improved with white settlement (apart from the odd disease here & there) and the settlers were able to make better use of productive land (apart from the odd raping-of-resources here & there) If the Maori feel that they were given a raw deal, then return all of the modern benefits that they have received & they can go back to their old way of life." Let's see... how much more obvious can I be.... Activists complain about their race being mistreated. They concentrate soley on what their race has lost while still enjoying the lifestyle benefits that their race has gained. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully, it seems) to say is that they want their cake & eat it too. They're quite happy to enjoy what colonialism has brought them but only want the parts of their culture & lifestyle that suit them. None of them are willing to live a genuine Maori lifestyle, which is strange since they resent our settlement. |
Peterj116 (6762) | ||
| 344202 | 2005-04-15 09:17:00 | New Zealand led the way (along with California) in granting the vote to women . The Treaty settlement process is a similar social breakthrough . Canada is the only other country following the same path - at the moment . Who knows - American Indians, Scots, Irish, Basques, may all sustain such claims in the next 100 years . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
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