Forum Home
PC World Chat
Thread ID: 56679	2005-04-12 09:50:00	Blatantly racist	Peterj116 (6762)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
344183	2005-04-14 19:27:00	"Maori make up just 13 percent of the New Zealand population, yet almost half of the number of women on the DPB are Maori, " Dr Newman said. "It is becoming a lifestyle choice for more and more Maori women. Actually, welfare has become a lifestyle choice for all races. Not fair to single out Maori for that, Dr Newman. Leaving school & going on the dole or DPB has definitely become a viable career choice for many these days. And not just in this country. But that's for another thread.	Peterj116 (6762)
344184	2005-04-14 22:49:00	...you see the crowd of young folk waving banners ... Beats working, asking for handouts, for what their race (more than 50% European), who they are protesting against, :@@: did to a lesser percentage of their ancestors. This is just wrong. Get over it. All these protests, is just giving people a bad impression of what is a really a colorful culture.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
344185	2005-04-15 01:52:00	Good to see that this thread hasn't broken down. My compliments to everybody. Productive land?? Oh you mean the land we stole and then raped of its resources? I guess when Taranaki runs out of fuel, the government will then give it back to the local Maori. Yes, European did make SOME of the land productive. At what cost? I agree. Isn't it ironic that today we are scrabbling around, trying to establish native plants and protect remnants of bush? Effectively we are trying to reverse the efforts of the early settlers to clear the land. So were Maori right to leave the land uncultivated? Only if this country had never been colonised. And even then, Maori would have learned of agriculture and developed some farming. We cannot turn the clock back. All Maori are asking for is to be treated with dignity and respect. In doing so, we have the capacity to put right unlawful/immoral acts of land seizure of the past. Some of the Waitangi settlements involve very little money but consist of land owned by the Crown being transferred to Maori. Ngai Tahu have proven themselves to be as astute as Ron Brierley. The Maori argument is that if they had retained all their lands from 1840, they would today be on an equal economic footing with the rest of New Zealand. So the anger and passion of the activists is because they want to get back to an equal basis. Economically and culturally. Yes, there are hotheads who want everyone else gone, but revolutions and social movements are driven by the extreme members. Consider the womens lib movement which achieved its aim - but women still wear bras. The extreme ideas seldom take root.	Winston001 (3612)
344186	2005-04-15 02:03:00	Just a few thoughts on learning the Maori langage. I support it because: 1. Languages are alive and need to be spoken to survive. Many of the worlds languages have already disappeared. 2. Language is a critical component of any culture. For example Eskimo has more than 20 words for snow. That immediately tells us how important knowledge of snow is in that culture. The types of words, use of them, and sentence structure are all intimately bound with the culture they derive from. 3. Learning a second language enhances brain function. The mental exercise of comparing and translating words stimulates the neo-cortex which works more quickly and more cleverly. 4. Maori is uniquely our language. For Kiwis. We can use it without any risk that a foreign eavesdropper can understand. Pretty cool to have our own tongue. :thumbs:	Winston001 (3612)
344187	2005-04-15 02:36:00	. . . unlawful/immoral acts of land seizure of the past . I read Mike Kings History of New Zealand and some of the land confiscated was from tribes who weren't even fighting . It was just taken because it was fertile and near the offending tribe, who was up in the hills . So the anger and passion of the activists is because they want to get back to an equal basis . Economically and culturally . Who do we give it back to . These "representatives" are more European than Maori and are only custodians of a grouping's that has long since been absorbed into the greater New Zealand gene pool . We are all equal under the law . So economically, we all have the same opportunitities of working hard and getting ahead . My family came out here nearly 40 years ago, with nothing except the clothes we had . We have been through 2 divorces and many splits caused by OE's etc . , but we have still managed to own our own homes (albeit mortgaged) and with some of us earning a little over the minimum wage, that is quite an achievement . I remember my dad having 3 jobs and my mum 2 . Work is hard, but the rewards of living in New Zealand, more than make up for the pain . So to get back to an equal basis, takes work and lot's of it . Not handouts . Let's preserve the Maori culture, but not the lifestyle . PS: I have got my NZ Citzenship papers today from the web .	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
344188	2005-04-15 02:52:00	PS: I have got my NZ Citzenship papers today from the web. How did you do that?	Cicero (40)
344189	2005-04-15 02:59:00	application forms from www.dia.govt.nz. Should be a citzen in 8 months time. My 40th annniversay in this country.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
344190	2005-04-15 03:14:00	PS: I have got my NZ Citzenship papers today from the web . Well done and welcome aboard . :thumbs: The genetic melting pot of mixed parentage doesn't really matter yet . Maori today are people who consider themselves Maori - but they do need to be able to point to one Maori ancestor somewhere . In 200 years, they may no longer exist unless we recognise the right of people to identify with a cultural heritage . Hey, one day we will all be Maori if we want to be . Apart from being a Kiwi, I identify with Scottish culture . Visiting Scotland is like going home, but my children are unlikely to feel this . The roots fade over time . Unless you are Serbian or Croatian which are living examples of why past injustices need to be faced up to . If we adjust our thinking to see the Treaty Settlements as repayment of what was wrongly taken, then there is no handout . Merely justice . Really the whole argument boils down to a justifiable suspicion that the Treaty claims will never end, and our grandchildren will face a raft of new claims based on wrongs we are unknowingly committing today . That is a real worry .	Winston001 (3612)
344191	2005-04-15 03:25:00	As much as i detest the activists,and do not suport any movement in any way,and think the lot of em can go to hell.....If I was a maori I would be one pissed off mofo hell bent on raising hell and kicking ass. That aside, When that march( ahem....driveby) went through the country they went past my shop, some kid came running in with a bucket and asked for money, I told him to tell his Dad to get a job... Muhahahaha. Then I locked the door and made busy out the back, Didn't want 800 protestors taking the march through my shop,...besides, no way they could fit the coaches through the door....	Metla (12)
344192	2005-04-15 04:10:00	Correct me if I am wrong,but didn't you say you don't agree with them,but if you were one,you would do the same?	Cicero (40)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10