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Thread ID: 56679	2005-04-12 09:50:00	Blatantly racist	Peterj116 (6762)	PC World Chat

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344173	2005-04-13 21:24:00	Doesn't make it any less valid though. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
344174	2005-04-13 22:28:00	Productive land?? Oh you mean the land we stole and then raped of its resources? I guess when Taranaki runs out of fuel, the government will then give it back to the local Maori. Yes, European did make SOME of the land productive. At what cost? A minor point, but Maori weren't using the land as productively. Don't see any evidence of traditional Maori gas exploration efforts. A contradiction I believe. How is it any different? The Maori to the Aborigine? Both races treated unfairly, both had there wives raped by white settlers, both had land stolen off them. Have you been there? Have you seen them? I'll never forget the poor Aborigine guy on a tram in Melbourne a few years ago. Poor bugger was very uncomfortable & was trying to blend into the background. He didn't say a word, but I could see it in his eyes. He was virtually apologising for being alive. Mistreatment of the original inhabitants continues and they don't enjoy nearly the support & privilages that Maori do. Sorry, but no comparison at all. I have no experience of American Indians, so can't comment on that. Its no diff to your next door neighbour coming into your house, eating your food, raping your wife, and kicking you into the dog kennel. Now I bet you would remember that for the rest of your life Exactly. The rest of your life. Not the rest of your great great grandchildren's lives. As I said in an earlier post, I don't believe in intergenerational guilt. What exactly have I done wrong that causes Maori to deserve compensation? What have modern Maori done/suffered to deserve compensation? We're talking about today, here. You can talk about ancestors all you like, but the bottom line is that you want me to pay my tax to you.	Peterj116 (6762)
344175	2005-04-13 22:45:00	"As I said in an earlier post, I don't believe in intergenerational guilt." Wholeheartedly agree. As there are no pure breds left, their scotish, english, or welsh parts of them should also feel guilty. As I said previously, I am 1/16th Jew, do I want to claim compensation for the attrocities done to my race, even more recently than the Maori events; No, of course not. Why then do Maori's who are also 1/4, 1/8 or even less than 1/16th want compensation too. Still, we can support the Maori Culture with my taxes, it is part of the Kiwi identity. I get tears in my eyes, when I see a or hear a good Maori Performance done. Let's preserve their culture, but let us not feel guilty for our ancestors mistakes.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
344176	2005-04-14 05:56:00	but the bottom line is that you want me to pay my tax to you. If you had bothered to read my other posts, you would have seen that my a*s is just as white as yours, probably whiter. And I don't remember tax coming into this convo What a jaundiced view. What does this mean... I don't get enough iron in my diet??? In the end.. my point is not about intergenerational guilt etc etc etc. Its just about opening your eyes What does this mean? It means that I know my daughter is going to walk into a white owned shop one day and they will look at her expecting her to steal... why? because she is part Maori	Myth (110)
344177	2005-04-14 06:09:00	If you had bothered to read my other posts, you would have seen that my a*s is just as white as yours, probably whiter. And I don't remember tax coming into this convo Sorry for any offence caused. That wasn't directed at you at all. It was directed at all of these "settlements" that Maori are generously paid by the taxpayer. In a nutshell, I can't understand "Sorry, we don't have enough money to pay teachers/firefighters/nurses etc decent money. Sorry, we don't have enough money to pay for your life-saving operation. So I'm afraid you'll have to die on the waiting list. But here's 5,000 zagillion dollars for injustices done to Maori who died a hundred years ago." Just doesn't sit right. It means that I know my daughter is going to walk into a white owned shop one day and they will look at her expecting her to steal... why? because she is part Maori That's very sad & very wrong.	Peterj116 (6762)
344178	2005-04-14 06:49:00	But I don't think the numbers are as large as you believe, Peter . I don't know how big a zagillion is, but I'm sure the amounts donated in "corporate welfare" vastly outweigh the sums involved in the Treaty settlements . Have a look at the 2 billion or so paid by the taxpayers to bail out the BNZ from the results of the management's "imprudent" lending . Have a look of the value of the taxpayer owned assets "sold" in pursuance of faulty economic theories . Etcetera .	Graham L (2)
344179	2005-04-14 07:29:00	Good point, Graham.	Peterj116 (6762)
344180	2005-04-14 09:48:00	Given that this is a very sensitive subject, it has gone extremly well. No serious mud slinging. A very good discussion which has helped ME somewhat, even tho I have been here only 41 years, I can see both sides. But I whish we could, as a country, just move on..... PJ	Poppa John (284)
344181	2005-04-14 10:00:00	No I think 001 is right,we have never given anything. Figures released to Dr Newman by the Associate Minister of Social Development and Employment Rick Barker, show 42,784 Maori woman are on the DPB, compared to 44,772 European women. "Maori make up just 13 percent of the New Zealand population, yet almost half of the number of women on the DPB are Maori, " Dr Newman said. "It is becoming a lifestyle choice for more and more Maori women.	Cicero (40)
344182	2005-04-14 10:44:00	But I whish we could, as a country, just move on..... PJ But each Waitangi day, you see the crowd of young folk waving banners keeping the conflict going ...	TonyF (246)
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