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Thread ID: 56679	2005-04-12 09:50:00	Blatantly racist	Peterj116 (6762)	PC World Chat

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344163	2005-04-13 08:29:00	Half of me is Welsh from my mothers side. The other is Yorkshire from my fathers side. I guess that makes me English. Well actually, what is English? There were these people there once but then along came some romans, Vikings, Saxons, Normans etc and a lot stayed. Then everyones genes were mingled so whats an englishman now? Its about as "pure" as the language. And while we're at it, aren't we all originally African?	pctek (84)
344164	2005-04-13 08:39:00	I wonder why the Maori's were turned away from that flat,would it be because they have an excellent reputation as tenants? I will bet my bottom dollar that it has not happened to Speedy. I could recommend my tailor in Saville Row,if they were to take me up I am sure they would have no problem renting a house,I feel sure it is not the skin colour. Am impressed PJ's protestations of late.	Cicero (40)
344165	2005-04-13 09:51:00	[QUOTE=Peterj116]I'm sorry. When was apartheid officially adopted in this country? I must have missed that. What am I going on about? In the middle of this Tamahere saga was this little gem, tacked onto the end of a One News story: Tamihere & Parekura Horomia were unavailable for comment because they were "only talking to Maori media". HA! Actually the world would be a better place if pollies only talked to the Maori media.	tutaenui (1724)
344166	2005-04-13 10:24:00	No offense but to be accurate, nobody gave Maori anything . The colonisation of this country, as it was for India, Australia, America etc etc consisted of taking . Maori were overwhelmed by European settlers and their technology . They were also killed by European diseases . The Maori who survived became secondclass people in their own country . Children were punished as recently as the 1960s for speaking Maori at school . As a people they live and work beside the rest of us today . Aren't they allowed cell-phones? They are merely trying to keep their culture and ethnic identity alive . Wouldn't NZ be a pretty dull place if we were all one culture? Missing the point . It's not about cellphones, it's about Maori happily living in the "modern world" but still complaining about what they've "lost", conveniently forgetting about what they've gained as a race . Oh, I know about the terrible treatment of Maori kids in the 60's . Completely contradicts the Treaty in regard to keeping their culture alive . With you on that one . But we've grown up since then . Colonisation consisted of taking? Absolutely . But in many cases, the land has been improved and/or put to good use . One only has to see some examples of productive land being "returned" to Maori & just left overgrown & not cared for . Yes, the settlers took the land, but they made good use of some of it, benefitting the country as a whole . I think it's called a farm . Remember that show Pioneer House? Family tries living as the original settlers did . Can't say I've ever seen a Maori version . Probably never will . If they'd take us up on the offer, I'd gladly say to these activists: "Don't like Paheha being here? Fine . Let's turn back the clock . We'll give you back a nice big block of land . You give back all you've gained from white settlement . No go & live as your ancestors did . " Think there'd be any takers? I fully support any & all efforts to keep Maori culture & language alive . What I don't support is separatism . Separate Maori seats in Parliament (once needed to redress the imbalance; no longer needed) ; separate Maori Affairs Dept . , separate interview to only Maori journalists, separate Maori anything else . Tell me this: How are modern Maori disadvantaged? We're born in the same hospitals, we go to the same playcentre/kindergarten, we go to the same primary school, we go to the same intermediate/college . So where's the disadvantage? They have more-than-equal access to everything that we do . I honestly don't understand what "special needs" Maori have . They're certainly over-represented in crime/poverty statistics . Is that because of their colour? Very much doubt it . Figures may be a bit off, but approx 15% of the population is Maori, but 60% of the prison population is Maori . Why? Poverty - sure, they're struggling, but so are other races . Where's our special help? Just for the record, I rent in South Auckland . Always have, probably always will . The only way I'll ever buy a house is if I win Lotto . That's not exaggeration or a joke . It's reality . At one point, I was paying 60% of my wages in rent . Trouble is, I won't get taxpayer-funded help, like people who are lucky enogh to be born the "right" colour: "Home ownership workshops Housing New Zealand Corporation contracts Māori housing providers to run housing workshops and provide professional housing support expertise . ( . tpk . govt . nz/community/housing/default . asp" target="_blank">www . tpk . govt . nz)" As for my race, I think I've got Swedish blood somewhere down the line . I don't know . I don't care . I'm a Kiwi . That's good enough for me .	Peterj116 (6762)
344167	2005-04-13 11:19:00	Children were punished as recently as the 1960s for speaking Maori at school . Just to pick up on that point ( which turns up regularly in letters to the Editor), Maori elders quite early on realised that unless kids made a point of using English in the schools, they would fall behind . The use of Maori was accordingly frowned on . A similar point is going to arise in due course with those folk who emerge into the modern world from a Maori-only language education . . . .	TonyF (246)
344168	2005-04-13 11:52:00	They can get jobs reading the health warnings on cigarette packets......	Metla (12)
344169	2005-04-13 12:02:00	Half of me is Welsh from my mothers side . The other is Yorkshire from my fathers side . :lol: :lol: :lol:	manicminer (4219)
344170	2005-04-13 20:55:00	Colonisation consisted of taking? Absolutely. But in many cases, the land has been improved and/or put to good use. One only has to see some examples of productive land being "returned" to Maori & just left overgrown & not cared for. Yes, the settlers took the land, but they made good use of some of it Productive land?? Oh you mean the land we stole and then raped of its resources? I guess when Taranaki runs out of fuel, the government will then give it back to the local Maori. Yes, European did make SOME of the land productive. At what cost? You want to talk about mistreatment, talk to your local friendly Aborigine guy. it's about Maori happily living in the "modern world" but still complaining about what they've "lost" A contradiction I believe. How is it any different? The Maori to the Aborigine? Both races treated unfairly, both had there wives raped by white settlers, both had land stolen off them. If you want to look at the so-called angelic europeans who raced around the world, making it a better place; lets bring the American Indians into it. Just another example of europeans coming in, raping the land and the people because they were 'making it a better place'. Its no diff to your next door neighbour coming into your house, eating your food, raping your wife, and kicking you into the dog kennel. Now I bet you would remember that for the rest of your life	Myth (110)
344171	2005-04-13 21:00:00	Productive land?? Oh you mean the land we stole and then raped of its resources? I guess when Taranaki runs out of fuel, the government will then give it back to the local Maori. Yes, European did make SOME of the land productive. At what cost? A contradiction I believe. How is it any different? The Maori to the Aborigine? Both races treated unfairly, both had there wives raped by white settlers, both had land stolen off them. If you want to look at the so-called angelic europeans who raced around the world, making it a better place; lets bring the American Indians into it. Just another example of europeans coming in, raping the land and the people because they were 'making it a better place'. Its no diff to your next door neighbour coming into your house, eating your food, raping your wife, and kicking you into the dog kennel. Now I bet you would remember that for the rest of your life Great points and argument. Agree 100%. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
344172	2005-04-13 21:21:00	What a jaundiced view.	Cicero (40)
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