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Thread ID: 56797	2005-04-15 08:39:00	Drug trafficking in Indonesia	manicminer (4219)	PC World Chat

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345297	2005-05-28 23:33:00	Who do you think 'they' are? To go from 20 years to life just because you lodge an appeal against an unjust sentence is ridiculous. I'm not saying that she should get off lightly IF she was guilty, but there does seem to be reasonable doubt over whether or not she was guilty. And if she was, then the sentencing is over-the-top. And how many months has it taken them to get to this verdict? The whole thing is ridiculous. Given the leniancy towards the Bali Bombers, I think the Indonesian Justice System is a joke.	manicminer (4219)
345298	2005-05-28 23:47:00	To go from 20 years to life just because you lodge an appeal against an unjust sentence is ridiculous. Once again, just where do you get this from ?? I know the prosecutor is after more, but this is not a "just because" situation. Cheers TonyF	TonyF (246)
345299	2005-05-29 09:41:00	The case raises lots of questions from what I have seen in the media and I have no idea what her defence team raised in court but the obvious things to me would have been.... 1: Fingerprints on the packaging 2: The weight of her checked baggage, most carriers even check each bag seperately so there should be a record of what each article weighed when it was checked in as she left Australia. Weigh the bloody surfboard and bag and see if it matches whats on the computer. They could have also reweighed all her bags and clothing and compared to the checked in amounts. Too late now I would guess as she will have aquired things whilst on remand. If she didn't pick up that the bag looked different or felt heavier when she picked it up, maybe she only picked it up for a couple of seconds to put on a luggage trolley. I know that arriving in a strange place or even back home you can be in a rush for other connections or appointments and not always with it. Hell some people can't even remember what their own bag looks like or will grab someone elses so for her to miss what may have been obvious to some could be excusable. To me it would seem that she has been convicted purely because she admitted the bag was hers and it was in her bag. But to put it another way if she was carrying a child thru customs does that make her the mother?	EX-WESTY (221)
345300	2005-05-29 11:09:00	1: Fingerprints on the packaging 2: The weight of her checked baggage, most carriers even check each bag seperately so there should be a record of what each article weighed when it was checked in as she left Australia . To me it would seem that she has been convicted purely because she admitted the bag was hers and it was in her bag . Please be realistic . Caught in an airport with 4Kg drugs in her own bag . Any court in the world would convict . Ask NZ Customs how many people caught with drugs are found not guilty . Fingerprints . An associate could have handled the bag, or if everyone'd been careful, there'd be no clear prints at all . Absence of her prints would have been helpful but is not a defence on its own . Weight - ask the Aussies why there are no records? Its their system, nothing to do with the Indonesians .	Winston001 (3612)
345301	2005-05-29 11:31:00	Sensible stuff Winston. Oz media are still awash with folk frothing about never again going to Indonesia, cut off aid etc etc. See www.news.com.au for a sample. It will be overtaken by the case of those folk caught with their pants down ...	TonyF (246)
345302	2005-05-30 15:42:00	There are some sensible options being put forward and some stupid ones. I am an Aussie and I do feel sorry for this young woman. But I am slightly embarrassed that so many Australians are blindly professing her innocence using only what the media have told us. I do not know if she did it or not, I was not there. One thing that I do think will resonate though all of this is; why would you want to go to Bali. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with the people and it is a beautiful place but why would you go some where that the government imposes such brutal justice. Execution is murder no matter who does it, be that an individual or government. A 20 year sentence (in those horrible conditions) is far too steep even for a guilty person. PS. People have been making comparisons between the Bali bombers and this case. Be aware that the three men who have actually been convicted of these crimes are on death row.	L_dog (7903)
345303	2005-05-30 18:14:00	Execution is murder no matter who does it, be that an individual or government. A 20 year sentence (in those horrible conditions) is far too steep even for a guilty person. . Selling drugs is also murder. The only reason there is so much fuss about her is because she is Australian. If she had been a NZer how many Aussies would then care about her? I hope she does every day of her sentence.	JJJJJ (528)
345304	2005-05-30 21:42:00	People have been making comparisons between the Bali bombers and this case. Be aware that the three men who have actually been convicted of these crimes are on death row. Thanks for this. I think most people forgot they were on death row. Not knowing the details, I can only assume that the Muslim terrorist leader who only got 2 years in prison was not put on death row for lack of evidence connecting him directly with the bombings. Which leads to this next bit... I hope she does every day of her sentence. JJJJJ - If in fact she is a drug importer who was going to sell the weed in Bali, then yes, she does deserve prison. But 20 years, for whacky backy? Personally I think this is too long. However, it is a real possibility that she was not responsible for the weed being in her baggage. Yes, NZ Customs would have charged her if it happened here, but our courts would, imho, not have convicted her. Why? Because our police and legal system would have rooted out the corrupt baggage handlers and customs official, and would have had video footage of her when the bag was opened. In her case it is a possibility that a baggage handler in Brisbane put the weed in her bag, destined to be collected by another baggage handler in Sydney - but the security there probably stopped the weed from being collected and off to Bali it went. The customs officer in Bali saw the package on the X-Ray and exposed the scheme, later making up the story (that was crucial in convicting Schapelle) that she tried to prevent him opening the bag. He did this since there is so much corruption and dishonesty in Indonesia - he probably would have lost his job, or worse, if he said that she was surprised / unaware of the weed. Well, these are my thoughts. Maybe she is a drug runner, but here just is not enough evidence to prove it, and she does not appear to be so stupid to try to import a large package of weed in a boogie bag. OK, she may not come across as a Fulbright Scholar, but it really seems incredulous that she would try to smuggle such a large bag of weed into a place like Bali.	Strommer (42)
345305	2005-05-30 23:15:00	Pardon my gross ignorance (getting old) but what exactly is a boogie board? Some sort of disco accessory? :stare:	Peterj116 (6762)
345306	2005-05-30 23:27:00	OK, she may not come across as a Fulbright Scholar, but it really seems incredulous that she would try to smuggle such a large bag of weed into a place like Bali. Especially when you consider the street price of wacky baccy in Indonesia is something like 1/10 the price of Aussie weed. That's the part that really doesn't stack up for me - why take weed *into* Indonesia?	Rugrats (6953)
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