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Thread ID: 56797	2005-04-15 08:39:00	Drug trafficking in Indonesia	manicminer (4219)	PC World Chat

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345247	2005-04-16 08:40:00	I thread plastic electrical cable ties through the ends of the zippers on my bags to secure them. It won't stop anyone with a knife or scissors getting inside but I will definitely know whether someone has or not. Using them in conjunction with a padlock is a good indicator of bag tampering.	FoxyMX (5)
345248	2005-04-16 08:58:00	Thinking of nutters...... this little extract from today's NY Times: "There are 600,000 Americans leaving prison in the next few years, and those guys are all coming to an apartment complex near you." - HOWARD H. HENDRICK, the human services director at the Joseph Harp Correctional Center in Oklahoma, explaining the effort to teach felons to be good spouses. I wonder what our local figures are like? :cool:	Scouse (83)
345249	2005-04-16 09:31:00	explaining the effort to teach felons to be good spouses . We have similar things here . In Paparua AKA CHCH Mens, there are "The Villas" which is where those doing the last few months of a long sentence end up . They are like flats with cooking facility's and the prisoners have to budget for the week in preparation for the real world . "There are 600,000 Americans leaving prison in the next few years, and those guys are all coming to an apartment complex near you . " I wonder what our local figures are like? :cool: We have several thousand living at her Majesty's pleasure palaces :p Some are long stayers, many are there for quick stays on relatively trivial charges . At a guess, i'd say the AVERAGE stay is about a year . So we have a few thousand a year "coming to an apartment complex near you . "	personthingy (1670)
345250	2005-04-17 03:44:00	you would think with all the attention these stories have had over the years(the cohens)people would be a bit more carefull about these things. Anybody see the doco the real bankot hilton, people seem to think the benifits out way the risks. I would be worried if my guilt was being judged by a convicted fellon let alone my innocense depending on one. Going through singapore airport 3 years ago i was filling my pants at the sight of what looked like 12 year old girls dressed in police uniforms carrying machine guns, put me off littering let alone bringing my private stash with me slid up my backside... Actually the reason there are so many criminals is because every criminal thinks he can "get away with it" Some do Some don't!	Baldy (26)
345251	2005-04-18 04:47:00	We do same as you, Foxy. We carry plastic ties with us for onward journeys. We also use the special locks which are acceptable for use in USA, we managed to purchase some in Canada, after having tried unsuccessfully to obtain them here. We do not know for sure whether Schapelle Corby is guilty, is in the back of my mind, that the value of what she was carrying would be less in Bali than in Australia. (Not that I am an expert in those matters, but I believe that to be the case). Bali isn't high on my priority of needing to visit.	Marnie (4574)
345252	2005-04-18 05:05:00	I am against the "Death Penalty". And any nation that uses it, is one step above cannibalism. (i.e. to kill a person under the law and (as in the case of cannibalism) eat them). Killing is barbaric. Just because murderers do it, doen't mean we as a society need to bring ourselves down to their level. A lot of innocent people have been put to death. Even if it proven, beyond a resonable doubt, we should place them on "hard labour" for the rest of their natural lives. If an innocent person is so convicted he may still be get out if new evidence comes to light (see "Cold Case" or "Waking the dead" for examples), however if he is dead, their is no option available, except posthomous[sic] aquittal. A bit late for the executed person. I do not think "Drug-trafficing" warrants the death penalty anyway, as no life is lost as a direct result of the importation. It may work as a deterrent, and means I will never visit that country. NOTE: I like the idea of cable-ties. I will use them if I ever travel overseas again.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
345253	2005-04-18 06:55:00	Even if it proven, beyond a resonable doubt, we should place them on "hard labour" for the rest of their natural lives . If an innocent person is so convicted he may still be get out if new evidence comes to light (see "Cold Case" or "Waking the dead" for examples), however if he is dead, their is no option available, except posthomous[sic] aquittal . A bit late for the executed person . Life time of hard labour . . now thats inhumane! I'm not sure what sort of crime we are talking about here, but if its serious enough to warrent a true lifetime of "hard labour", then if it can be PROVEN then just shoot the bastards . Having had to spend a year and a half seeing crims at home i fully believe that jail is nothing but downtime for the average crim . Just shoot them and save wasting everyones time with these wastes of spaces . Better to put them down than drag thier meaningless lives out at huge expence to the rest of us . If the prisoner is never going to get out, why bother keeping them alive? Fact - 0% reoffend after being shot dead :thumbs:	personthingy (1670)
345254	2005-04-19 00:41:00	Life time of hard labour . . now thats inhumane! I am only talking about 8 hours a day making things in a prison factory . That will be hard labour for most crims who have "never" worked .	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
345255	2005-04-19 01:52:00	I am only talking about 8 hours a day making things in a prison factory. That will be hard labour for most crims who have "never" worked.Your generalisations suggest to me that you have spent little if any time observing the typical NZ criminal. Not all criminals are lazy or unemployed when on the outer. Many are highly motivated, it just that thier choice of work may not be a legal one. Some of them are even quite intellegent. I suppose its easier to write them off for a lifetime of hard labour if we generalise them as thick, lazy etc. The only function jail has is to remove them from the masses before they do more harm. Which leads me back to the point that if someone is going to die in jail, we'd all be better off just shooting that person, and getting it over with. My observations on the criminal mentality are from me spending over a year inside with the bastards. KiwiTT_NZ, May i ask what you base your understanding of the criminal mind on?	personthingy (1670)
345256	2005-04-19 02:03:00	I agree some would be hard workers, etc. etc. as you say in their "chosen" field. And I defer to your greater experience in this area. If they have to work in prison they will at least contribute to the costs of their imprisonment, and reparations to the victims and their families. However, my real concern is that possibly innocent people should not be killed or have a chance of being killed by the state. A civilised society should be above that sort of thing.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
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