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Thread ID: 88035	2008-03-12 23:24:00	Ongoing logon Delay with Vista Ultimate	symiggy (7597)	Press F1

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648922	2008-03-13 05:00:00	Those 3 accounts are the standard Vista Accounts . 1 . User ( name of choice) 2 . Administrator ( usually and should be hidden) 3 . Guest . You shouldn't be seeing the Administrator account at all . Usually the reason items cant be changed or added is the account doesn't allow it - for some reason even though your account is "told to be administrator" it may not be . SO lets force the beast to make an administrator account . :badpc: READ ALL OF THIS: Okay try this - it will bring the "Hidden Administrator" account out in the open, it should show when you start the PC and you will have "Administrator" and "your Name/account" - you then log into the administrator account, create the new one and it "should" show next time you reboot . IF it doesn't then theres something " screwy" with the system which SP1 may or may not fix . OKAY - 1 . Click start orb -in the search Type cmd ,Right click the command prompt icon at the top of the Start menu and click Run as administrator . 2 . Type Net user administrator /active:yes (NOTE spaces . ) You should get a window saying This Here ( . imagef1 . net . nz/files/CMD . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz) -- Note: your version may be different - I have SP1 installed . - to close the CMD type in exit - press enter Reboot the PC - the administrator account should now be visible . - log in to it . You should now be able to create the new account you wanted . To "disable it" repeat step 1 described above and type Net user administrator /active:no	wainuitech (129)
648923	2008-03-13 06:30:00	Motherboard drivers installed? :D	feersumendjinn (64)
648924	2008-03-13 09:51:00	SO lets force the beast to make an administrator account . :badpc: wainuitech: I followed your instructions and received the response that the command was completed successfully . . . but sadly it did not seem to make any difference . Again I am able to create an account in the 'Control Pannel > User Accounts' dialogue box . The Account appears in the dialogue box and I can select an Icon for it etc . BUT . . . it does not appear in the 'Users' List in Windows explorer and again I am never given the option of logging onto the account . The only users that appear in Windows Explorer are Default Public My Name Specifically the "New Account" is not listed . Also when I reboot after I get to the blue 'Welcome' screen, the throbber persists for a long time but nothing further happens, I do not get the screen showing the various Accounts (as I did in the past) . . . the blue welcome screen simply fades to black . . . and then after about two minutes the desktop of my original Account loads . I never get an opportunity to log onto any other account . After I activated the Administrator account I still was not able to log onto it or do any thing with it . I created the new Account while loged onto the only Account that I can log onto . . . . and when I do . . . the account does not seem to actually exist even though it is listed in the User accounts Dialogue box . This is so frustrating! Am I missing something? :badpc: :badpc: :badpc:	symiggy (7597)
648925	2008-03-13 21:35:00	Thats weird - as long as you forced the administrators account into the open, by using the CMD and right clicking it then select “ Run as Administrator” , then typing in the commands I posted - it should have made it visible on the next reboot . If it didn’t do this - then to me it looks like there is a flaw in the actual install someplace . If there is, in this type of occurrence I would save all the data and reinstall the OS, lets say experience would say you can run around for hours getting nowhere . This could also be whats causing the start up problems - if there is a fault in the OS it could all be related . About the only last thing I can really suggest is try this - click start orb, type in the search box control userpasswords2 Select it and then click Advanced Tab / Advanced Button As Shown Here ( . imagef1 . net . nz/files/Advanced . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz) when the window opens, double click the USERS folder - right click and select "New User' fill out the details and save/reboot . ( Only need a name and password) If that still doesn't show then I'm out of ideas - sorry . It may need a complete reinstall - as something is not right, that wont be hardware - its software . Is this a Name brand PC Eg:" Compaq Dell ?? or one that someone made up and installed Vista - IF its been installed from an Image instead of the actual Vista DVD it could be the problem as Images can and do get corrupted sometimes . I have actually had a customers Dell do silly things and even Dell admitted a faulty image - and sent new recovery DVD's ( Free) and all was well after that . This is so frustrating! Am I missing something? NOPE!!	wainuitech (129)
648926	2008-03-13 23:41:00	Thats weird - as long as you forced the administrators account into the open, by using the CMD and right clicking it then select “ Run as Administrator” , then typing in the commands I posted - it should have made it visible on the next reboot. Sorry to have misled you wainuitech. The Administrator account did in fact appear after I executed the command that you described. What I was trying to say was that it made no difference to my problem. I was still logged onto my regular (My Name ) account when I accessed the user accounts Dialogue box in control panel and when I created a New Account (while logged onto the My Name account) the New account was still not listed in the "Users" in Windows Explorer window. I am not able to log onto the (previously Hidden) Administrator account ...since I am never given that opportunity. And when logged onto my regular ( My Name ) account which incidentally is an Admin account, ....I am able to create a new account ...but it does not exist in Windows Explorer. I can access the Previously hidden Administrators account in the user accounts dialogue box in control panel; and I can create a password or change its icon etc, but I'm not logged onto that account and creating a new account while logged onto my regular (My Name) account ....gets me nowhere. I really am struggling to try and clarify what I am trying to say!	symiggy (7597)
648927	2008-03-14 00:45:00	I really am struggling to try and clarify what I am trying to say! Thats OK - I'm pretty sure I know what you are meaning . Your Normal Account which has administrator rights is not allowing you to do changes its meant to . When "un-hiding" the Administrator account it wont let you log in to it . When you are in your Normal account (administrator hidden) you shouldn't be able to see the administrator account - it should look Like this ( . imagef1 . net . nz/files/manage_1 . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz) - but with your details of course . Once the admin account is "unhidden" then you should See this ( . imagef1 . net . nz/files/Manage_Account_2 . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz) . IF you are seeing the Administrator account in the "Normal" settings / usage, there is something wrong with the Operating system . My thoughts are something has gone wrong when it installed - As I mentioned previously, in a case like this, since every thing I Know has been tried, then I'd save all data, wipe the drive and reinstall from fresh then put back any data/programs . As I asked ( Last 3 sentences in previous post) - is this a Name brand PC with a recovery DVD/partition or a PC that someone has built for you . ? I'm out of ideas - some one else may have something to add/suggest that I don't know about ?? I have tried to replicate the problem but unable to .	wainuitech (129)
648928	2008-03-14 00:47:00	I'm out of ideas - some one else may have something to add/suggest that I don't know about ?? Install something else :banana :clap	Speedy Gonzales (78)
648929	2008-03-14 00:58:00	Wainui's questions regarding how this Vista Ultimate got installed haven't been answered . Useful info not provided . Has it ever been attached to a business network or is it strictly a home machine? Reason I ask is that login delays can be because the machine is looking for a domain login and timing out eventually . This Ultimate version can also have Group Policies set which, in an enterprise, may well stop the user adding accounts . Sterling effort Wainui!	linw (53)
648930	2008-03-14 01:46:00	As I asked ( Last 3 sentences in previous post) - is this a Name brand PC with a recovery DVD/partition or a PC that someone has built for you . ? Wainuitech: The screens that I am seeing now is EXACTLY the same as you indicate in your screen shots . Although before I executed your instructions, I was seeing the Administrator Account when that Account should have been hidden . Somehow it became "unhidden" on its own . I certainly never consciously unhid it . However now that I have your instructions, I am only seeing the account when it is unhidden and I am not seeing it when it is hidden . . . as you indicate I should . I am not however at all sure how this helps me since I cannot log onto any other account other than the regular (My name ) account . I apologise for not answering your other questions . . it slipped my mind . The computer is not a name brand . It was put together for me by an company in Auckland called NFC Computers . Initially it was put together professionally by this company and it initially had XP installed since Vista had not as yet been released . At the time I specified that it should be capable of running Vista Ultimate and it was specked accordingly . Subsequently I purchased the full edition of Vista ultimate and installed it myself . Vista has always run properly (it has a rating of 4 . 8) and initially none these above problems were present . The computer has always been strictly a home machine and has never been attached to a business network . I was not trying to with hold any "useful information" as 'linw' implies .	symiggy (7597)
648931	2008-03-14 02:11:00	Subsequently I purchased the full edition of Vista ultimate and installed it myself Thanks for the above info - had not thought of previous install on a network/domain that would have explained a lot . Mind you I did "assume" it was a home PC ---yeah yeah - never assume . Hmmmmm - the very first thing that pops to mind - Was the install of Vista a "fresh" install - from a empty drive or was it installed as an "upgrade" - in other words - XP left on the PC and Vista installed over the top . ???? If it was the latter (think thats right , my minds on something else - got the PC from hell on the workbench at the moment - or "Butchers are us" more like it - should post a pic) :yuck: Any way - if it was an upgrade that could be the problem - Microsoft have always said a clean install is better than an upgrade when going from Xp - Vista - Causes less Problems .	wainuitech (129)
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