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Thread ID: 57195	2005-04-26 03:03:00	Nuclear Power in NZ	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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349016	2005-04-27 06:15:00	The answer lies in reducing the population down to a manageable level, but of course that is in the too hard and too unpopular basket :stare:Nuclear population management?????? :D	personthingy (1670)
349017	2005-04-27 06:17:00	The answer lies in reducing the population down to a manageable level, but of course that is in the too hard and too unpopular basket :stare: So we use a nuclear weapon to avoid the use of nuclear power? :rolleyes:	Graham L (2)
349018	2005-04-27 07:26:00	Quite an objective article on the subject. www-formal.stanford.edu	Cicero (40)
349019	2005-04-27 08:20:00	Quite an objective article on the subject. www-formal.stanford.edu	Cicero (40)
349020	2005-04-27 08:32:00	I don't think you'll get a yes.. policy is not supporting the use of any drug, just legalising pot use so we can deal with it openly and sensibly having noticed that making it illegal did not make it go away.Sure lets ban ALL drugs because of the damage they do. Shall we start with the most damaging in our culture, those being alcohol and tobacco? Perhaps we need to face that such self harming activity's as these are part of out cultural choices, no matter how stupid they are, and how much cost is involved cleaning up the damage and mess after their use. Pot use and the health costs caused by its use are very little compared to alcohol alone. Sorry to bite on this side topic, but its one i feel strongly about. :2cents: So I take it (possibly) that you want to legalise pot and ban alcohol and tobacco. You will only get pot legalised here when wichever Government is in can CONTROL the manufacture, use and tax or duty. I don't and never have tried pot. I have driven Taxis part time some years back and noted that the people in the back were smoking a different ciggie to that that I was. Difference was that my cigarettes were and are still LEGAL. I would not ban ALL drugs. Would that mean if you have a headache you can't have an aspirin or panadol? Banning Alcohol will not work as evidenced by the prohibition years in the USA. All that happend there was the price went up for the alcohol drinkers and people were making a fortune smuggling it in. Moonshine and stills were rife. Banning POT will not work as evidenced by the fact that people in NZ use it and grow it for their own use and also deal and supply. Difference here is that I own up to a ciggy habit and it is in fact legal. Banning tobacco? Similar in a way. The Government gets approx $980,000,000 through tax from the people that smoke. I'm fairly certain they will not want to lose that revenue. Having said that the Government has recently enacted laws that say you can't smoke a cigarette in the workplace. Suicide is an option for some people and as I understand it it costs more lives than the road toll. OK. Ban suicide as it once was. Ban a child going in the New Zealand bush. Ban vehicles. Ban alcohol. Ban tobacco. Say to your children, "Don't climb the tree as you might fall out." Ban anything you like. What some people don't seem to understand is that you can make a law to make something illegal. Making the Law will not stop people doing what is against the Law as it stands. Homicide is not LEGAL. Does this stop murder?	AMD1 (6552)
349021	2005-04-27 09:50:00	So I take it (possibly) that you want to legalise pot and ban alcohol and tobacco. No, but i would to see all common use drugs treated equally. The constant use of the phrase "Alcohol AND drugs" really gets my goat as Alcohol IS just another drug, nd should not IMHO be seperated from "drugs" with the "and". People consume alcohol, most get out of it, get stupid, and some get hooked on it. Alcohol is more addictive than pot, and its users more obnoxious. Pot users just seem a bit stupid but dont tend to drive fast or cause fights. In the end its all drugs, and is all socaily costly. You will only get pot legalised here when wichever Government is in can CONTROL the manufacture, use and tax or duty. We do it with tabbaco, so thats just the same really, Major growers supply retailers, and if legal, then sales tax would apply. As an illegal substance there's hi markups and gangs are financed instead. The retailers become the tinny houses under our current system. Banning Alcohol will not work as evidenced by the prohibition years in the USA. All that happend there was the price went up for the alcohol drinkers and people were making a fortune smuggling it in. Moonshine and stills were rife. As it is with banned pot, growers tiny houses, lack of quality control and people who add horse tranquilizer to low quality pot to boost it up... Prohibition has side effects!	personthingy (1670)
349022	2005-04-27 10:05:00	I feel the New Zealand public hasn't got an open mind when it comes to these things. Look at how much our media sensationalizes everything. I won't give examples as I'd probably annoy alot of people. Nuclear Power may be feasible in a physical sense. But I don't think that any government in power in the near future will really push it as an option.	Aurealis_ (7897)
349023	2005-04-27 10:09:00	I feel the New Zealand public hasn't got an open mind when it comes to these things. Look at how much our media sensationalizes everything. I won't give examples as I'd probably annoy alot of people. Nuclear Power may be feasible in a physical sense. But I don't think that any government in power in the near future will really push it as an option.Watch popularity grow when lights go out for the night in main centers...............	personthingy (1670)
349024	2005-04-27 10:21:00	As someone said somewhere else, if some disaster messed up the Waikato River so that all the major hydroelectric stations were out of action, leading to big power cuts in Auckland leading to big plant closures and lotsa folk out of work, you would see union leaders demanding nuclear quick smart......	TonyF (246)
349025	2005-04-27 10:27:00	People moaned and groaned about Project Aqua, so that was scrapped. People are moaning and groaning about the new pylons up Waikato way to send more power up towards Auckland. People complain that hydro-electric dams are harming the native NZ wildlife, submerging lots of native forest (eg. the Manapouri dam). People moan about the wind farms being "eyesores" and "noisy" - even though they only drive past them say twice a year max. Coal/diesel is and obsolete way of generating power, and yet they go and build a diesel powered "backup generator" at Whirinaki. People moan about nuclear being too dangerous. At the end of the day, you won't keep everybody happy. It's impossible. Coal, diesel, gas, and other combustion based generation methods are unclean, and all rely on fossil fuels which will only get more expensive as it runs out. Whenever any power company wants to try a "cleaner, greener" power generation method, someone will get up and moan about it. At the end of the day, we can't keep relying on outdated methods. There aren't that many locations where we can build more hydro stations, solar simply isn't practical for us, and it is highly unlikely that nuclear will go ahead anywhere in the next few decades. Our best bets are with wind turbines. The very first Manawatu scheme recovered the costs within two years, and is now making big money while supplying clean electricity to all of the Manawatu region - and now also other areas as well. Their rapid expansion, and the development and deployment of newer and better turbines shows just how well it is working. Two companies are planning to develop wind farms in Hawkes Bay - in the Te Pohue area almost in the middle of nowhere, and as the local newspaper found, all the locals living in farms adjacent to the planned development cannot see it being an issue. What apparent visual pollution they cause will only be briefly visible when driving on SH5 between Napier and Taupo - so what? Wind turbines do not require fossil fuels, do not damage the environment in anywhere near the extent which building hydro dams, burning fuels or nuclear does, and generates very reasonable amounts of power even from low winds. At only a few million dollars per turbine, with the costs being recovered quickly, it's the best way to go. We should all take a look at what's best for NZ's future, and stop moaning and groaning about "visual pollution" which wind turbines supposedly cause. If we want to maintain NZ's supposedly "clean, green" image, then we can't continue building coal, gas, diesel powered stations. Come on NZ - stop moaning and groaning, and let's get on with solving NZ's power crisis (it might not be a major one yet, but it will be soon if we don't act quickly). Note: I am not a politician, lobbyist, or anyone like that. I'm just an average, everyday, regular NZer who wants to get on with things.	somebody (208)
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