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Thread ID: 57195	2005-04-26 03:03:00	Nuclear Power in NZ	Strommer (42)	PC World Chat

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349006	2005-04-26 06:09:00	Anyhow, one comment stood out from the rest: the actual cost of generating electricity by a nuc plant will be high - perhaps as much as 20cents per KWH, and I don't think the cost of disassembling/cleaning up the plant at the end of its 30 - 40 year life was included. That seems rather high. I heard a program on BBC radio the other week where they were dicussing nuk power in Germany and it was about 4c/Kwhour. The Greens over there somehow have forced the German Gvt to start closing down the nuks starting in 2007 and use windmills. The price per Kw/Hour jumps to something like 12cent if the nuks are closed..	paulw (1826)
349007	2005-04-26 23:27:00	That seems rather high. The 'expert' on the radio said that most of the price per KWH of a nuclear plant bandied about in the media is just the basic cost. However, when the total cost is calculated - this includes the real cost of uranium fuel at the plant, waste disposal, and other factors - then the cost is much higher. Now, is this expert correct, or is the cost actually cheap and competitive with other means of generating power? This is the problem: who is correct? Maybe the expert on the radio had a political agenda. The Insight programme had many scientists and other experts and their views were often in conflict with one another.	Strommer (42)
349008	2005-04-26 23:34:00	I remember Fitzsimmons once denounced NZ agricultural exports because they "depleted" the topsoil from NZ. I laughed and laughed until the Greens got voted in. I once got into a debate with Nandor about the freedom to use drugs. I asked him about the freedom for taxpayers not to pay to medically treat the effects of drug use and abuse and the conversation suddenly ended. ... Although I find Greenies antagonistic most of the time, their mantra "Act locally, think globally" is very apt. Ha ha :D , I wish I was there when you asked that question. Jeanette Fitzimmons will be here in Masterton tonight, speaking about the oil crisis (or something along those lines). I might go, and if I feel energetic enough, I will stand up just prior to the start of the meeting and ask the audience "I am interested in the speech tonight, but can someone tell me if the Greens still support the use of marijuana?" When the answer comes forth as Yes, I will simply turn my back and walk out. :lol: Actually, I voted Greens at one time, but will no longer until they get rid of Nandor and his incredibly stupid stand on whacky backy.	Strommer (42)
349009	2005-04-26 23:38:00	With diesel having to be used to fuel generators at times of peak demand due to lack of alternative power generation and transmission problems, cheap options are clearly running out . Diesel aint going to get cheaper, so whatever we do, we need to do it soon . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While i agree with the green "Act locally, think globally" slogan, i have met few "greenies" who would dream of not lighting the fire when weather is cool, or spending up big on a good solar water heating system . Unless we can reduce waste dramaticly, we are going to need nukes, and soon!	personthingy (1670)
349010	2005-04-26 23:49:00	I will stand up just prior to the start of the meeting and ask the audience "I am interested in the speech tonight, but can someone tell me if the Greens still support the use of marijuana?" When the answer comes forth as Yes, I will simply turn my back and walk out. I don't think you'll get a yes.. policy is not supporting the use of any drug, just legalising pot use so we can deal with it openly and sensibly having noticed that making it illegal did not make it go away. Actually, I voted Greens at one time, but will no longer until they get rid of Nandor and his incredibly stupid stand on whacky backy.Sure lets ban ALL drugs because of the damage they do. Shall we start with the most damaging in our culture, those being alcohol and tobacco? Perhaps we need to face that such self harming activity's as these are part of out cultural choices, no matter how stupid they are, and how much cost is involved cleaning up the damage and mess after their use. Pot use and the health costs caused by its use are very little compared to alcohol alone. Sorry to bite on this side topic, but its one i feel strongly about. :2cents:	personthingy (1670)
349011	2005-04-26 23:57:00	Is there a public campaign informing people on how to lower power consumption? I know a lot of appliances (e.g., fridges, computers) have consumption indicators and I have used those hot water heaters where the water is heated only as it comes out of the tap. Are these being actively promoted? Absolutely nothing like that here in Queensland, although all the politicians and public servants are are losing their heads over an electricity crisis here. I have read lots of architectural books and magazines and some consumption problems have been solved or partially addressed already. North-facing windows and skylights for day-lighting, designed air-flow for air-conditioning, black-body concrete to absorb heat, low-consumption lighting... all these things can be legislated for all new buildings, or at least public buildings.	vinref (6194)
349012	2005-04-27 00:04:00	I don't think you'll get a yes.. policy is not supporting the use of any drug, just legalising pot use so we can deal with it openly and sensibly having noticed that making it illegal did not make it go away.Sure lets ban ALL drugs because of the damage they do. Shall we start with the most damaging in our culture, those being alcohol and tobacco? Perhaps we need to face that such self harming activity's as these are part of out cultural choices, no matter how stupid they are, and how much cost is involved cleaning up the damage and mess after their use. Pot use and the health costs caused by its use are very little compared to alcohol alone. Sorry to bite on this side topic, but its one i feel strongly about. :2cents: Ah, that's where personal medical insurance comes in - you pay to clean up the consequences of your own life-style choices, but as you say, that's another matter entirely.	vinref (6194)
349013	2005-04-27 01:08:00	Just build more dams. Small / Large whatever. No need for Nuclear.	KiwiTT_NZ (233)
349014	2005-04-27 04:02:00	Just build more dams. Small / Large whatever. No need for Nuclear.That's just delaying the inevitable. There's not actually a lot of good dam sites left. The trouble being in part that all the best spots have towns where the lakes need to be, or are just too hard to build, or just not worth it. Still, there are a few sites which could see us through the next few years growth, but after that we better have some nukes ready to go. :stare:	personthingy (1670)
349015	2005-04-27 06:11:00	The answer lies in reducing the population down to a manageable level, but of course that is in the too hard and too unpopular basket :stare:	Terry Porritt (14)
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