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Thread ID: 57293	2005-04-28 14:17:00	Longhorn, Where Are My Friend?	vinref (6194)	PC World Chat

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350058	2005-04-28 14:17:00	Is it me or the tech news abuzz with the delights of MacOSX, Ubuntu, Mandriva, FC4 etc...even FreeBSD 5.4 and NetBSD 2.0 (never heard of them? Don't worry, you're not alone)? And at the same time there are numerous reviews of the Longhorn betas which report that Longhorn looks like it sucks the big 'un. Not only has MS cut out the much touted journalling file system (a few years in *nixes now), but now it is cutting out the much touted security system (looks like *nix chroot jails, only much much more primitive). So there goes increased stability and better security. And it's a few years late. Well it looks like MS is asleep at the wheel, and there's a sharp corner coming up. Maybe letting IE rot was OK because it made no money anyway, but letting Windows rot is very dangerous indeed. P.S. If you are looking for the MacOSX vs Windows bitchfight, it ain't here. Go to the one started by plod.	vinref (6194)
350059	2005-04-28 21:44:00	I believe longhorn will be shipped in 2006. Ms problem is they like to be helpful to uses of there past os by making them compatible with there new one's. Bill should have taken a leaf out of apples book and started fresh and to hell with people that won't upgrade. But i suppose when there are that many use's around it's a bit hard. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. No ***** fight here, the delay of longhorn is a worry for everyone, lets hope it's worth the wait!	plod (107)
350060	2005-04-28 23:01:00	Can'y say it would bother me if Longhorn never comes out, I can't imagine MS will fix the faults of the past, more likely they will restrict the rights of the user. Besides, Its just XP with more code.	Metla (12)
350061	2005-04-29 01:46:00	I believe longhorn will be shipped in 2006. Ms problem is they like to be helpful to uses of there past os by making them compatible with there new one's. Bill should have taken a leaf out of apples book and started fresh and to hell with people that won't upgrade. But i suppose when there are that many use's around it's a bit hard. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. No ***** fight here, the delay of longhorn is a worry for everyone, lets hope it's worth the wait! I reckon the real problem for Longhorn is that MacOSX, and to a small extent, Linux, has raised the bar so high that MS is having difficulty making Longhorn something special. MS no longer commands the mind space of computer consumers that they used to. Too many of them now have a real choice.	vinref (6194)
350062	2005-04-29 02:11:00	Can'y say it would bother me if Longhorn never comes out, I can't imagine MS will fix the faults of the past, more likely they will restrict the rights of the user. Besides, Its just XP with more code. Yeah, apparently SP2 and some other new patch have already disabled raw sockets in XP, although you wouldn't notice it unless you work with the TCP/IP stack. Longhorn is very important for MS. It is MS' great new hope. OS and Office sales are the massive bulk of MS' revenues, and MS must clearly see the danger in MacOSX and Linux. That's why MS rails against Linux and open source generally so much.	vinref (6194)
350063	2005-04-29 02:13:00	I reckon the real problem for Longhorn is that MacOSX, and to a small extent, Linux, has raised the bar so high that MS is having difficulty making Longhorn something special. MS no longer commands the mind space of computer consumers that they used to. Too many of them now have a real choice. I have no doubts that when longhorn finally ships it will be a great OS. MS has no choice but to get it right.	plod (107)
350064	2005-04-29 02:18:00	Alas, many of the Windows pundits that were allowed by MS to test the beta talk in terms like "train wreck". Not good. MS has ordered all screenshots off the net too. If it is not at least as pretty, secure and imaginative as MacOSX, then MS should not have bothered.	vinref (6194)
350065	2005-04-29 02:29:00	Yeah, apparently SP2 and some other new patch have already disabled raw sockets in XP, although you wouldn't notice it unless you work with the TCP/IP stack. Longhorn is very important for MS. It is MS' great new hope. OS and Office sales are the massive bulk of MS' revenues, and MS must clearly see the danger in MacOSX and Linux. That's why MS rails against Linux and open source generally so much. I think you will find that out of the 7 divisions that make up MS the OS and Office divisions do more then make the bulk but make all the money while the other 5 divisions lose money hand over fist. Which is part of the reason MS game studios were either closed down, stripped of all personal or moved over to the Xbox....and the Xbox division costs them billions every year. Which only reinforces your point, that the new OS is a big deal, Especially when faced with widespread dissatisfaction with their current product and MS's only game plan is to add more bloat to the current product (and of course sign all their corporate clients onto a forced upgrade deal as far as office goes) MS can burn in hell for all I care, I'll be quite happy for their reign to be over, Though I can't see Mac or Linux being capable of filling the void. Personally all I want out of an OS is for it to get the hell out of the way so I can get on with what I want to do.	Metla (12)
350066	2005-04-29 02:34:00	I think you will find that out of the 7 divisions that make up MS the OS and Office divisions do more then make the bulk but make all the money while the other 5 divisions lose money hand over fist. Which is part of the reason MS game studios were either closed down, stripped of all personal or moved over to the Xbox....and the Xbox division costs them billions every year. Which only reinforces your point, that the new OS is a big deal, Especially when faced with widespread dissatisfaction with their current product and MS's only game plan is to add more bloat to the current product (and of course sign all their corporate clients onto a forced upgrade deal as far as office goes) MS can burn in hell for all I care, I'll be quite happy for their reign to be over, Though I can't see Mac or Linux being capable of filling the void. Personally all I want out of an OS is for it to get the hell out of the way so I can get on with what I want to do. And yet you still bag every alternative	plod (107)
350067	2005-04-29 02:47:00	Which is part of the reason MS game studios were either closed down, stripped of all personal or moved over to the Xbox....and the Xbox division costs them billions every year. I actually thought XBox made money. Oh well. ...Though I can't see Mac or Linux being capable of filling the void. Not anytime soon, you're right. Mac will never reach the heights that MS has reached in terms of penetration, but Linux does have some chance. XP will labour on like a zombie - dead but yet still alive.	vinref (6194)
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