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Thread ID: 58041	2005-05-19 16:25:00	BSA: Software Piracy 'Costs money' Reality Check: What if.......	CreightonBrown (5692)	PC World Chat

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356795	2005-05-19 16:25:00	BSA: Software Piracy 'Costs money' Reality Check: What if Software piracy is making money and growing nations, just not for your wallet? Are any of these figures outside their own pocket? www.infoworld.com (www.infoworld.com) Study: More than a third of PC software pirated Estimated losses from unauthorized software climbed in 2004 to $33 billion By Grant Gross, IDG News Service May 18, 2005 More than a third of the software installed on PCs worldwide during 2004 was pirated, with losses from unauthorized software increasing by $4 billion from 2003, according to a study released Wednesday by the software trade group Business Software Alliance (BSA). SPONSOR Test applications 60% faster. Requires no scripting or coding. Sponsored by Worksoft Thirty-five percent of all software installed on PCs was pirated, down from 36 percent in 2003, according to the study, conducted by research firm IDC. Estimated losses from software piracy climbed, however, from $29 billion to $33 billion, as both the legal and unauthorized software markets grew from 2003 to 2004. IDC estimated that $90 billion worth of software was installed in 2004, compared to $80 billion in 2003, with sales of legal software growing 6 percent. Countries using the most pirated software, according to IDC, are Vietnam, Ukraine, China, and Zimbabwe. Ninety percent or more of the software used in those countries was pirated during 2004, according to the BSA report. In more than half the 87 countries studied, software piracy exceeded 60 percent. IDC estimated that 21 percent of software in the U.S. was pirated, compared to 23 percent in New Zealand, and 27 percent in the U.K. Austria and Sweden were also among the countries with the lowest software piracy rates. A spokesman at the Chinese embassy in the U.S. said Wednesday he had not seen the study and couldn't comment on it directly. But the Chinese government investigated more than 9,000 cases of intellectual property rights (IPR) infringement in 2004, said embassy spokesman Chu Maoming. "That shows the Chinese government attaches great importance to IPR," he said of the investigations. "China has been doing a lot of work in fighting against IPR violations." Software piracy causes a "profound economic impact" around the world, said Robert Holleyman, BSA president and chief executive officer, in a statement. Software piracy costs jobs and tax income in countries with growing software markets, he said. For the study, IDC used proprietary statistics for software and hardware shipments, and it conducted more than 7,000 interviews in 23 countries, and enlisted IDC analysts in more than 50 countries to review market conditions.	CreightonBrown (5692)
356796	2005-05-19 16:30:00	How do you know where the money is being reallocated? Can you say it is any better or worse off? If I don't buy a pair of shoes, does that mean the country just lost that money in tax? am I to be that presumptious? or perhaps I am to be the store owner saying how hard by this is and how its losing money. I think it is extremely bias to claim money is being lost unless you have proof of where the money is going [Regarding it damaging economy]	CreightonBrown (5692)
356797	2005-05-19 16:34:00	Also more advanced Economic models which may be developed focus not solely on GDP or gross domestic product / tax but other factors such as health of a nation, that in more common or less advanced models it rewards disease and illness because drugs can create GDP Not only does it seem to fail to show that money is truly being lost to a nation it fails to show that besides the GDP a nation is any worse off	CreightonBrown (5692)
356798	2005-05-19 20:38:00	wouldn't you be better writing this dribble in a diary so nobody else can read it!	plod (107)
356799	2005-05-19 21:47:00	I think it is extremely bias to claim money is being lost unless you have proof of where the money is going [Regarding it damaging economy]If those running, say a legal copy of one of those microsoft OS thingys, and say pirated graphics software are "costing" billions, i wonder what those of us runing 100% legit and free open sourse software are "costing" and who is missing out? For the next no-brainer question, stay tune to this bat-channel, same bat-time next bat-week........... :groan:	personthingy (1670)
356800	2005-05-19 22:40:00	i wonder what those of us runing 100% legit and free open sourse software are "costing" and who is missing out? :groan: The developers of the free software are missing out. Nothing is completely free. The developers have to purchase computers in the first place before they can work on code, pay for internet connections, electricity, a room to work in, cellphones etc. If they do that work for no payment, fair enough. That is great. But they still need food, clothes, and somewhere to live. So they must be earning an income somewhere/somehow first, in order to have the time to do the unpaid work. Essentially developers of free software are enthusiasts who are spending their spare time doing voluntary work. That is valuable to any economy. The problem is that most of us will not voluntarily work for nothing. So if software developers thought their years of work would be ripped off without payment - why would they bother? Better to go drive a courier van and spend weekends at the beach.	Winston001 (3612)
356801	2005-05-19 23:25:00	The developers of the free software are missing out. Nothing is completely free. The developers have to purchase computers in the first place before they can work on code, pay for internet connections, electricity, a room to work in, cellphones etc. The developers of open source software are not "missing out", because they never expected to be paid, reimbursed, rewarded or even recognised for their work. This is the ethos of open source. They do get the satisfaction out of people who use and perpetuate their work though. Now and then they get personal thanks from users as well. Most open source developers also have a political wish to install standards for computing, and the vast majority of open source works conform to established standards.	vinref (6194)
356802	2005-05-19 23:31:00	How do you know where the money is being reallocated? Can you say it is any better or worse off? If I don't buy a pair of shoes, does that mean the country just lost that money in tax? am I to be that presumptious? or perhaps I am to be the store owner saying how hard by this is and how its losing money. I think it is extremely bias to claim money is being lost unless you have proof of where the money is going [Regarding it damaging economy] It is the usual scatter-gun approach now perfected by the RIAA. The way it's done is to pull down your trousers, bend over, reach behind and pull a figure out of your *ss and hand it to the fawning media, indignant politicians and greedy lawyers nice and fresh.	vinref (6194)
356803	2005-05-19 23:33:00	wouldn't you be better writing this dribble in a diary so nobody else can read it!Agreed. Mr Brown should probably post in notepad. That said all he's done is gone and copied an article in it's entirety (ads included) paste it into the thread, without consulting the copyright owner of the article. So this thread about piracy, IS piracy.	ninja (1671)
356804	2005-05-20 04:34:00	wouldn't you be better writing this dribble in a diary so nobody else can read it! Arguements should be based on FACT and at no time is it appropriate to make derragatory remarks against comments or people. That things should be factual and it is not appropriate to degrade comments or people. You should NOT make any degrading comments towards me or my remarks, which are derragatory Like Helen clark said on holmes: Argue the facts.	CreightonBrown (5692)
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